Juggernaut | Guardian DPS Discussion

[Darth_Nihilus]

Since the compendium for this topic is out of date, I'm closing it. Use this thread to discuss 1.2 details until a new compendium is written or the old one updated for the new patch.

I'm also expending this thread out to cover all Juggernaut/Guardian dps specs, rather than just Vengeance/Vigilance.

~Kaedis

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Is there an updated spec for 1.2 vengeance?

[Zvenk]

(04-13-2012 03:51 AM)Darth_Nihilus Wrote:  Is there an updated spec for 1.2 vengeance?

Well, tbh there is no proper pve spec for guardian anymore since they crushed everything like expected. You've to take useless pvp talent with 2 points to go top of your tree with all useful pve talents and it causes you to giving up from 1 important talent which u have to decide by your play style and what your raid team needs. Or you can just give up from force sweep talent on Focus tree which is ridicilous since we have to use it sometimes during boss fights...

Other thing is you have to take every single talent for Master strike/ravage and its probably cause u to drop 1 talent from other trees but still according to combat logs, we got %21-23 of total dps on boss fights from MS/Ravage if we use it on cooldown. Our biggest damage output coming from dots of course and its around %24-26...

[Darth_Nihilus]

Yea they added a few pvp type abilities that have to do with immobilization. So I am kind of lost what to put my points into now for a Dps PvE build. is vengeance still the way to go?

I went with this build. Any opinions? I didn't know what to do with the last point so i just dumped 1 into deafening defense.
http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/sith...ef2ef2ef6:

[Trannix]

I went with this spec for pve:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1010MZ...duRZRM0M.1

A decent PvP spec would probably be:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101RrZfzrRrhddGoZ0M.1

Not tried the PvE spec as yet, but seems a good choice. The PvP one works well for me atm. Any feedback is welcome.

[Darth_Nihilus]

(04-14-2012 04:40 AM)Trannix Wrote:  I went with this spec for pve:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1010MZ...duRZRM0M.1

A decent PvP spec would probably be:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101RrZfzrRrhddGoZ0M.1

Not tried the PvE spec as yet, but seems a good choice. The PvP one works well for me atm. Any feedback is welcome.

Why put point into brutality? Really don't use that skill unless everything is on CD.

[zaios]

Some PVE DPS help

Hey all, first id like to say thanks to everyone who has contributed on these forums, they are awesome for info!

Basically im just after some info in regards to PVE DPS as a Jugg, and need a little help with a few things i have not been able to find on my own so far.

Questions:
1. How much accuracy should i be running as a Veng and/or Rage specced DPS?
2. What sort of secondary stats should i be looking at for Veng and Rage? from what i can work out so far, its power/crit for veng, and power/surge for Rage.
3. What sort of Adrendals and Relics are advised for DPS?
4. What sort of DPS is expected of a Rakata level geared Jugg on a training dummy?

ATM, i Main Tank our raids 95% of the time, but with the introduction of combat logs, and the hopefully soon to be implemented multi-specs, im quite keen to learn more about DPS. i only have the standard Rakata pieces (unchanged mods) with battlemaster ear/implants, so im running very high on acc/power and not much else. On the dummy atm i manage just over 1k dps self buffed (warr + Stim buffs).

Many thanks for any help you can provide!

Zaios

[Ike]

(04-14-2012 09:23 AM)Darth_Nihilus Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 04:40 AM)Trannix Wrote:  I went with this spec for pve:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1010MZ...duRZRM0M.1

A decent PvP spec would probably be:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101RrZfzrRrhddGoZ0M.1

Not tried the PvE spec as yet, but seems a good choice. The PvP one works well for me atm. Any feedback is welcome.

Why put point into brutality? Really don't use that skill unless everything is on CD.

You NEVER use vicious slash, actually. It would require Ravage, Smash, and Saber Throw to be all on CD, and even then, I would rather run out the 10 yards as I impale'd and used that gcd for a charge then use vicious slash.

I roll with that same spec, except those two points in brutality instead in battle shout.

[Jeremy]

Has the assignment of updating/recreating this thread for 1.2 been given out? There's obviously quite a lot of outdated info up there at this point.

[Alvis]

(04-15-2012 07:19 AM)Ike Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 09:23 AM)Darth_Nihilus Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 04:40 AM)Trannix Wrote:  I went with this spec for pve:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1010MZ...duRZRM0M.1

A decent PvP spec would probably be:
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101RrZfzrRrhddGoZ0M.1

Not tried the PvE spec as yet, but seems a good choice. The PvP one works well for me atm. Any feedback is welcome.

Why put point into brutality? Really don't use that skill unless everything is on CD.

You NEVER use vicious slash, actually. It would require Ravage, Smash, and Saber Throw to be all on CD, and even then, I would rather run out the 10 yards as I impale'd and used that gcd for a charge then use vicious slash.

I roll with that same spec, except those two points in brutality instead in battle shout.

Agreed, this is my PvE spec : http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101MMZcGMRMuddukZrM.1

Just one point in sundering throw because you actually don't need the second one. Everything else seems what you would expect.

I won't look for a full vengeance PvP spec though since full vengeance has never been good for PvP.
I can't wait for 1.3 and the dual spec. The guardian is one of the only AC for which we can't get a spec that is good for both PvE and PvP.

[Ezmode]

(04-16-2012 05:53 AM)Jeremy Wrote:  Has the assignment of updating/recreating this thread for 1.2 been given out? There's obviously quite a lot of outdated info up there at this point.

We are looking for someone to update this thread for 1.2. If someone would like to, or knows someone that would like to do so, please PM any of the staff members.