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Kithani · 06-30-2012, 04:06 AM

(06-30-2012 02:38 AM)Aurelius Wrote: I believe BiS relics in both PVE and PVP now are PVP Power (Boundless Ages) ones since they give full time power of +97, +103 and +127 for Champ, BM and WH respectively. This might mean I have to actually PVP again...

Small note, unless they were changed today I believe that the WH relics give 113 power. I still think they are BiS though for both PvE and PvP.

Aurelius · 06-30-2012, 04:56 AM

(06-30-2012 04:06 AM)Kithani Wrote:
(06-30-2012 02:38 AM)Aurelius Wrote: I believe BiS relics in both PVE and PVP now are PVP Power (Boundless Ages) ones since they give full time power of +97, +103 and +127 for Champ, BM and WH respectively. This might mean I have to actually PVP again...

Small note, unless they were changed today I believe that the WH relics give 113 power. I still think they are BiS though for both PvE and PvP.

Yes could be the case, I only looked on TORhead since I wasn't in game.

Susannah · 07-03-2012, 03:32 AM

Thanks a lot for the tips guys, I just bought two of them and I agree, they work very well, just a little angry for all that doing dailys for those campaign relics ^^

Zeece · 07-03-2012, 03:46 AM

(07-03-2012 03:32 AM)Susannah Wrote: Thanks a lot for the tips guys, I just bought two of them and I agree, they work very well, just a little angry for all that doing dailys for those campaign relics ^^

It should be noted(running Simcraft app) that for most classes the WH PvP relics only beat the Campaign relics by 2 or 3 dps so don't kill yourself getting them.. Of course unless you like that sort of thing then completely go for it.

vaargen · (This post was last modified: 07-24-2012 09:34 PM by vaargen.)

Trying to change around my gear to get better DPS and I do understand that I need to drop Surge and get more Crit and Accuracy, anything else?

This is how I look now

Aurelius · 07-31-2012, 04:25 AM

(07-24-2012 09:31 PM)vaargen Wrote: Trying to change around my gear to get better DPS and I do understand that I need to drop Surge and get more Crit and Accuracy, anything else?

This is how I look now

Your ACC and Crit are fine. You could sacrifice some to get it down to around 110% if you can gain Cunning/Power by switching out some mods/enhancements. You could also look at using the Matrix Cube to replace one of the WH Relics. From your stat weights, Cunning adds 1.18 to Powers 1.0.

Izzo · 07-31-2012, 07:14 AM

(07-31-2012 04:25 AM)Aurelius Wrote: Your ACC and Crit are fine. You could sacrifice some to get it down to around 110% if you can gain Cunning/Power by switching out some mods/enhancements. You could also look at using the Matrix Cube to replace one of the WH Relics. From your stat weights, Cunning adds 1.18 to Powers 1.0.

if cunning is 1.18 power, doesn't that mean 105 power is better than 80 cunning, and the WH is better?

Aurelius · (This post was last modified: 08-02-2012 02:20 AM by Aurelius.)

(07-31-2012 07:14 AM)Izzo Wrote:
(07-31-2012 04:25 AM)Aurelius Wrote: Your ACC and Crit are fine. You could sacrifice some to get it down to around 110% if you can gain Cunning/Power by switching out some mods/enhancements. You could also look at using the Matrix Cube to replace one of the WH Relics. From your stat weights, Cunning adds 1.18 to Powers 1.0.

if cunning is 1.18 power, doesn't that mean 105 power is better than 80 cunning, and the WH is better?

Your Math: 80 + 9%+5% = 91 Cunning, If its a stat weight of 1.18 then we're looking at ~107 Power Eq Gain, whereas BM Relix is 105 raw Power. I would say this is within error and essentially equivalent.

If we look at the WH Relic plus augments:; Yes, I realize now that WH is BiS even compared to the matrix cube. Although the matrix cube is a lot easier to get (I consider WH a grind).

My Maths:
WH = 113 Power + 20 Cunning (Augmented & +9% +5% fully buffed)
Matrix Cube: 80 + 18 (Augment) Cunning = 98 + 9% + 5% = 111 Cunning

If we factor in Cunning's stat weight, then WH is still better but not by much; I used the Item Comparison in Tibbel's Spreadsheet (1.15 as the Cunning Stat Weight), with augments and Cunning fully buffed (9%+5% on top of the item). Again the WH is slightly better, but its close.

Can anybody justify the math or agree with this?

For me, PVE I am using WH Augmented and Matrix Augmented. For PVP I am using the WH aug'd and a BM relic. Also still working on WH gear, so I rather put the comms towards other slots.

Izzo · (This post was last modified: 08-02-2012 03:15 AM by Izzo.)

(08-02-2012 02:19 AM)Aurelius Wrote:
(07-31-2012 07:14 AM)Izzo Wrote:
(07-31-2012 04:25 AM)Aurelius Wrote: Your ACC and Crit are fine. You could sacrifice some to get it down to around 110% if you can gain Cunning/Power by switching out some mods/enhancements. You could also look at using the Matrix Cube to replace one of the WH Relics. From your stat weights, Cunning adds 1.18 to Powers 1.0.

if cunning is 1.18 power, doesn't that mean 105 power is better than 80 cunning, and the WH is better?

Your Math: 80 + 9%+5% = 91 Cunning, If its a stat weight of 1.18 then we're looking at ~107 Power Eq Gain, whereas BM Relix is 105 raw Power. I would say this is within error and essentially equivalent.

If we look at the WH Relic plus augments:; Yes, I realize now that WH is BiS even compared to the matrix cube. Although the matrix cube is a lot easier to get (I consider WH a grind).

My Maths:
WH = 113 Power + 20 Cunning (Augmented & +9% +5% fully buffed)
Matrix Cube: 80 + 18 (Augment) Cunning = 98 + 9% + 5% = 111 Cunning

If we factor in Cunning's stat weight, then WH is still better but not by much; I used the Item Comparison in Tibbel's Spreadsheet (1.15 as the Cunning Stat Weight), with augments and Cunning fully buffed (9%+5% on top of the item). Again the WH is slightly better, but its close.

Can anybody justify the math or agree with this?

For me, PVE I am using WH Augmented and Matrix Augmented. For PVP I am using the WH aug'd and a BM relic. Also still working on WH gear, so I rather put the comms towards other slots.

Oh, I assumed it was 1.18 because of (and therefore already including) the talented increase to cunning and the sorc buff, not that it was 1.18 before you applied those buffs. So 80 Cunning = 94.4 power, not 80 cunning = 91.2 cunning = 107.6 power. If the latter is true then the cube is better, but it seems to me to be very unlikely that cunning without any modifications is 1.18 times better than power (in fact, i would be inclined to believe that without any modifications to it, it is actually strictly worse than power), and it is in fact that 14% buff to cunning that puts it over the top, in which case the WH relic is better.

Tibbel · (This post was last modified: 08-02-2012 06:11 AM by Tibbel.)

(08-02-2012 03:12 AM)Izzo Wrote: I assumed it was 1.18 because of (and therefore already including) the talented increase to cunning and the sorc buff, not that it was 1.18 before you applied those buffs. So 80 Cunning = 94.4 power, not 80 cunning = 91.2 cunning = 107.6 power. If the latter is true then the cube is better, but it seems to me to be very unlikely that cunning without any modifications is 1.18 times better than power (in fact, i would be inclined to believe that without any modifications to it, it is actually strictly worse than power), and it is in fact that 14% buff to cunning that puts it over the top, in which case the WH relic is better.

Yes, the stat weights calculator in the spreadsheet includes the cunning bonus from the Gearhead skill and from the Mark of Power group buff (if you have them selected on the 'Character' tab). You can see what their effects are by deselecting one or both and then recalculating the stat weights.

For what it's worth, cunning still shows as holding a slight edge over power, even with both of those boosts turned off (in MM spec). It's true that cunning grants a relatively small amount of crit chance, but its bonus damage only barely trails that of power, too.