EC: Firebrand and Stormcaller (Hard Mode)

[thrakkemarn]

This worked like a charm, the tanks stayed in place throughout the fight and only had to swap 1 time when they missed an incinerate. It made the fight a lot smoother and easier to tank and heal.

[diodorus]

We started trying this on HM last week and our tanks are having a real problem with threat. They did not have a real issue on Toth and Zorn. but on this fight something is happening.

We are tank swapping due to group make up (not having a dps with taunt).

Our tank on SC says he has to taunt after every DD. I have read this guide and many more and cant not find any information on if after every DD that SC drops threat. This makes a problem with swapping cus of taunt cooldowns and IA happening pretty much right after DD. So our swaps are late and sloppy. I really wanna blame the tanks that they suck at threat, or they are doing something wrong with tanking in SWTOR.

I am a healer so i can not watch the boss to see too much of what is going on with SC and DD.

Thanks.

Edit: He is a Immortal Jugg tanking SC 1st and a Sin tank on FB 1st.

[Fuhrerschein]

(05-04-2012 10:48 PM)diodorus Wrote:  We started trying this on HM last week and our tanks are having a real problem with threat. They did not have a real issue on Toth and Zorn. but on this fight something is happening.

We are tank swapping due to group make up (not having a dps with taunt).

Our tank on SC says he has to taunt after every DD. I have read this guide and many more and cant not find any information on if after every DD that SC drops threat. This makes a problem with swapping cus of taunt cooldowns and IA happening pretty much right after DD. So our swaps are late and sloppy. I really wanna blame the tanks that they suck at threat, or they are doing something wrong with tanking in SWTOR.

I am a healer so i can not watch the boss to see too much of what is going on with SC and DD.

Thanks.

I was wondering this exact same question. Can anyone confirm if threat is reset after DD? The tanks in my guild have suspected something of that nature is going on.

[nex]

(05-04-2012 11:58 PM)Fuhrerschein Wrote:  

(05-04-2012 10:48 PM)diodorus Wrote:  We started trying this on HM last week and our tanks are having a real problem with threat. They did not have a real issue on Toth and Zorn. but on this fight something is happening.

We are tank swapping due to group make up (not having a dps with taunt).

Our tank on SC says he has to taunt after every DD. I have read this guide and many more and cant not find any information on if after every DD that SC drops threat. This makes a problem with swapping cus of taunt cooldowns and IA happening pretty much right after DD. So our swaps are late and sloppy. I really wanna blame the tanks that they suck at threat, or they are doing something wrong with tanking in SWTOR.

I am a healer so i can not watch the boss to see too much of what is going on with SC and DD.

Thanks.

I was wondering this exact same question. Can anyone confirm if threat is reset after DD? The tanks in my guild have suspected something of that nature is going on.

Same here, this is extremely annoying.

[badnews]

My guild can 1 shot this on story but for HM something very weird is happening.

When the 2 people run in front of the tank for the DD about 5 seconds after that either 1 or both of the DD blockers are getting 1 shotted and insta death. If it doesnt happen to both, it always happens to at least one of em.

We cannot figure out what the problem is because its totally random and stormcaller is not aggroing on us.
we are not cleansing the debuff or anything and cant figure out the problem..
Anyone experience this??

[AdamP]

(05-08-2012 05:27 PM)badnews Wrote:  My guild can 1 shot this on story but for HM something very weird is happening.

When the 2 people run in front of the tank for the DD about 5 seconds after that either 1 or both of the DD blockers are getting 1 shotted and insta death. If it doesnt happen to both, it always happens to at least one of em.

We cannot figure out what the problem is because its totally random and stormcaller is not aggroing on us.
we are not cleansing the debuff or anything and cant figure out the problem..
Anyone experience this??

On our first attempts at the HM clear, we were having issues with DD as well. Is it happening on the first DD you get, or the second? What was happening to us was that we were encountering a second double destruction (which occurs on a timer) before defensive systems went down (which occurs based on boss health, about every 20%). Essentially we were about a second too slow on the DPS, and a second DD went out just before Defensive Systems occurred, which spawns a lightning ball on top of the Stormcaller group, which was immediately hitting our DD'd DPS and one-shotting them. Our solution was to stack our two best DPS on Firebrand, pop adrenals and bloodthirst as often as possible, and beat the double-destruction timer.

However, if it's on the first DD you see after defensive systems end, my only guess would be that your DPS are too close to the front of the "head" of stormcaller, and are being hit by his frontal cone.m If you're avoiding the cone and you have a DPS or healer dealing with the constant lightning balls/yellow circles, the only damage you should be taking is from the adds and the one lightning ball that spawns at the beginning of Defensive Systems.

[Fuhrerschein]

(05-08-2012 08:05 PM)AdamP Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 05:27 PM)badnews Wrote:  My guild can 1 shot this on story but for HM something very weird is happening.

When the 2 people run in front of the tank for the DD about 5 seconds after that either 1 or both of the DD blockers are getting 1 shotted and insta death. If it doesnt happen to both, it always happens to at least one of em.

We cannot figure out what the problem is because its totally random and stormcaller is not aggroing on us.
we are not cleansing the debuff or anything and cant figure out the problem..
Anyone experience this??

On our first attempts at the HM clear, we were having issues with DD as well. Is it happening on the first DD you get, or the second? What was happening to us was that we were encountering a second double destruction (which occurs on a timer) before defensive systems went down (which occurs based on boss health, about every 20%). Essentially we were about a second too slow on the DPS, and a second DD went out just before Defensive Systems occurred, which spawns a lightning ball on top of the Stormcaller group, which was immediately hitting our DD'd DPS and one-shotting them. Our solution was to stack our two best DPS on Firebrand, pop adrenals and bloodthirst as often as possible, and beat the double-destruction timer.

However, if it's on the first DD you see after defensive systems end, my only guess would be that your DPS are too close to the front of the "head" of stormcaller, and are being hit by his frontal cone.m If you're avoiding the cone and you have a DPS or healer dealing with the constant lightning balls/yellow circles, the only damage you should be taking is from the adds and the one lightning ball that spawns at the beginning of Defensive Systems.

Tyvm this is great info. did you find you were able to beat the 2nd DD before every defensive system?

[ramms]

(05-04-2012 10:48 PM)diodorus Wrote:  We started trying this on HM last week and our tanks are having a real problem with threat. They did not have a real issue on Toth and Zorn. but on this fight something is happening.

We are tank swapping due to group make up (not having a dps with taunt).

Our tank on SC says he has to taunt after every DD. I have read this guide and many more and cant not find any information on if after every DD that SC drops threat. This makes a problem with swapping cus of taunt cooldowns and IA happening pretty much right after DD. So our swaps are late and sloppy. I really wanna blame the tanks that they suck at threat, or they are doing something wrong with tanking in SWTOR.

I am a healer so i can not watch the boss to see too much of what is going on with SC and DD.

Thanks.

Edit: He is a Immortal Jugg tanking SC 1st and a Sin tank on FB 1st.

Same thing is happening with my guild... identical situation.

[Squishei]

(05-08-2012 10:55 PM)Fuhrerschein Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:05 PM)AdamP Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 05:27 PM)badnews Wrote:  My guild can 1 shot this on story but for HM something very weird is happening.

When the 2 people run in front of the tank for the DD about 5 seconds after that either 1 or both of the DD blockers are getting 1 shotted and insta death. If it doesnt happen to both, it always happens to at least one of em.

We cannot figure out what the problem is because its totally random and stormcaller is not aggroing on us.
we are not cleansing the debuff or anything and cant figure out the problem..
Anyone experience this??

On our first attempts at the HM clear, we were having issues with DD as well. Is it happening on the first DD you get, or the second? What was happening to us was that we were encountering a second double destruction (which occurs on a timer) before defensive systems went down (which occurs based on boss health, about every 20%). Essentially we were about a second too slow on the DPS, and a second DD went out just before Defensive Systems occurred, which spawns a lightning ball on top of the Stormcaller group, which was immediately hitting our DD'd DPS and one-shotting them. Our solution was to stack our two best DPS on Firebrand, pop adrenals and bloodthirst as often as possible, and beat the double-destruction timer.

However, if it's on the first DD you see after defensive systems end, my only guess would be that your DPS are too close to the front of the "head" of stormcaller, and are being hit by his frontal cone.m If you're avoiding the cone and you have a DPS or healer dealing with the constant lightning balls/yellow circles, the only damage you should be taking is from the adds and the one lightning ball that spawns at the beginning of Defensive Systems.

Tyvm this is great info. did you find you were able to beat the 2nd DD before every defensive system?

It really helps out the healers if you can, and the enrage is based around just missing the second DD so you can use that as an enrage tool. Of you are having trouble beating the second DD you can skew one of the sides with more dps and after the last shield, move some dps around.

[Yoten]

Another reason why your DD-soakers might be dying is if they're using the tank's knockback "punt" to quickly reach their shield generators when Defensive Systems activates. The punt combined with the DD debuff will cause heavy damage and possibly kill them outright. So make sure your soakers don't get hit by the knockback and always run to their shield normally.

It seems obvious when you think of it, but it took us a couple of attempts to realize why our melee were exploding. :P