Sorcerer DPS BIS discussion

[Arasaka]

(03-14-2012 03:28 AM)Thepixel Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:50 PM)Arasaka Wrote:  Mastercrafted Rakata wrist/belt it parses higher @ 1686
However, non-Mastercrafted Rakata wrist/belt are dps downgrades @1660.

Are you running at 25k or 50k iterations on that? Using the items listed in your link it's a significant downgrade to 1618 dps....

EDIT: Doubling the augments in each augmented piece gives the DPS rating you listed... are you sure you aren't counting the willpower for the ear,implants, belt and bracers twice???

Unless MrRobot is doubling them, no. Right side uncheck all buffs, hover over each stat.

Willpower 1734.2 (1484.2 bonus) - dropped the .2 wherever that comes from.
Bonus dmg 750.7 (532 power, 1224 force power)
Crit 299, surge 284, alacrity 259.

put it all on one line like Kor did and add the on proc relic:

shirt=datacrons,stats=1484willpower_1224forcepower_532power_299crit_284surge_259​​​alacrity
relic2=plasma_burst_device,equip=ondamage_168elemental_30%_4.5cd

Code:

iterations=25000
default_world_lag=0.1
max_time=300
vary_combat_length=0.2
fight_style=Patchwerk
target_race=humanoid
default_skill=1.0
threads=1
optimal_raid=0
override.coordination=1
override.force_valor=1
override.unnatural_might=1
override.shatter_shot=1
scale_only=none
dps_plot_stat=none
dps_plot_points=20
dps_plot_step=20
reforge_plot_stat=none
reforge_plot_amount=200
reforge_plot_step=20
reforge_plot_output_file=reforge_plot.csv
#!./simc

sith_sorcerer=Sith_Sorcerer_Hybrid
origin="http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/80d5678b-4bb7-4a80-944e-5da3ef439cee"
level=50
race=human
position=ranged_front
role=spell
use_pre_potion=0
talents=http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201ZfcM0dZfMfRs0krc.1
actions=stim,type=exotech_resolve
actions+=/mark_of_power
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/force_lightning,if=buff.lightning_barrage_dd.up
actions+=/power_potion
actions+=/recklessness
actions+=/use_relics
actions+=/affliction,if=!ticking
actions+=/death_field,if=force>100
actions+=/crushing_darkness,if=buff.wrath.react
actions+=/chain_lightning,if=buff.wrath.react&force>76+6*target.health_pct&cooldown.crushing_darkness.remains>4
actions+=/force_lightning
actions+=/shock,moving=1,if=force>120
shirt=datacrons,stats=1484willpower_1224forcepower_532power_299crit_284surge_259​??alacrity
relic2=plasma_burst_device,equip=ondamage_168elemental_30%_4.5cd

# User-specified persistent global and player parms will set here.

^ am I missing any options?

[frmorrison]

Regarding the BiS list, I know that the Artifice relic with augment is best, but it is only 9 dps better than the Cube and the crafted Mastercraft Sythweaving bracers is 2 dps better than the custom bracer.

Also I have never seen the crafted bracers/belt items recipes that were used in the other lists, and I have done some Ops. They could exist, just they are rare.

I feel for now it makes sense to have no crafted BoP gear in the BiS set. When crafting gets rebalanced then it will be a different story.

[Khadroth]

(03-14-2012 05:53 AM)frmorrison Wrote:  Regarding the BiS list, I know that the Artifice relic with augment is best, but it is only 9 dps better than the Cube and the crafted Mastercraft Sythweaving bracers is 2 dps better than the custom bracer.

Also I have never seen the crafted bracers/belt items recipes that were used in the other lists, and I have done some Ops. They could exist, just they are rare.

I feel for now it makes sense to have no crafted BoP gear in the BiS set. When crafting gets rebalanced then it will be a different story.

I'd have to agree with this. The BIS list should be achievable by everyone. This is of course with the stipulation that you should know that certain crafted bonuses will improve upon this like the artifice relic or synth bracers.

[Caltiom]

(03-14-2012 05:03 AM)Arasaka Wrote:  Unless MrRobot is doubling them, no. Right side uncheck all buffs, hover over each stat.

Willpower 1734.2 (1484.2 bonus) - dropped the .2 wherever that comes from.
Bonus dmg 750.7 (532 power, 1224 force power)
Crit 299, surge 284, alacrity 259.

put it all on one line like Kor did and add the on proc relic:

shirt=datacrons,stats=1484willpower_1224forcepower_532power_299crit_284surge_259​​​alacrity
relic2=plasma_burst_device,equip=ondamage_168elemental_30%_4.5cd

First, I really can't guarantee you that MrRobot does list a accurate and equal gear stat aggregate like SimC. But assuming everything is correct, you're still missing the set bonuses.

[Wugan]

(03-14-2012 06:22 AM)Khadroth Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 05:53 AM)frmorrison Wrote:  Regarding the BiS list, I know that the Artifice relic with augment is best, but it is only 9 dps better than the Cube and the crafted Mastercraft Sythweaving bracers is 2 dps better than the custom bracer.

Also I have never seen the crafted bracers/belt items recipes that were used in the other lists, and I have done some Ops. They could exist, just they are rare.

I feel for now it makes sense to have no crafted BoP gear in the BiS set. When crafting gets rebalanced then it will be a different story.

I'd have to agree with this. The BIS list should be achievable by everyone. This is of course with the stipulation that you should know that certain crafted bonuses will improve upon this like the artifice relic or synth bracers.

I understand the thought process behind wanting a list that is achievable by everyone, but that would almost by definition not be BiS list. The point of such a list is to find the gear combination that would do the maximum possible DPS, without considering how rare or hard to obtain that gear might be. Players can then adjust based on what is available to them, rather than trying to maintain a list that covers all possible situations.

[Thepixel]

(03-14-2012 05:03 AM)Arasaka Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 03:28 AM)Thepixel Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:50 PM)Arasaka Wrote:  Mastercrafted Rakata wrist/belt it parses higher @ 1686
However, non-Mastercrafted Rakata wrist/belt are dps downgrades @1660.

Are you running at 25k or 50k iterations on that? Using the items listed in your link it's a significant downgrade to 1618 dps....

EDIT: Doubling the augments in each augmented piece gives the DPS rating you listed... are you sure you aren't counting the willpower for the ear,implants, belt and bracers twice???

Unless MrRobot is doubling them, no. Right side uncheck all buffs, hover over each stat.

Willpower 1734.2 (1484.2 bonus) - dropped the .2 wherever that comes from.
Bonus dmg 750.7 (532 power, 1224 force power)
Crit 299, surge 284, alacrity 259.

put it all on one line like Kor did and add the on proc relic:

shirt=datacrons,stats=1484willpower_1224forcepower_532power_299crit_284surge_259​​​alacrity
relic2=plasma_burst_device,equip=ondamage_168elemental_30%_4.5cd

Except that's not the number you should be putting in... the total willpower gain from gear is only 1346. Add up the amounts on the gear only and you'll see the difference.

[Arasaka]

(03-14-2012 10:38 AM)Thepixel Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 05:03 AM)Arasaka Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 03:28 AM)Thepixel Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:50 PM)Arasaka Wrote:  Mastercrafted Rakata wrist/belt it parses higher @ 1686
However, non-Mastercrafted Rakata wrist/belt are dps downgrades @1660.

Are you running at 25k or 50k iterations on that? Using the items listed in your link it's a significant downgrade to 1618 dps....

EDIT: Doubling the augments in each augmented piece gives the DPS rating you listed... are you sure you aren't counting the willpower for the ear,implants, belt and bracers twice???

Unless MrRobot is doubling them, no. Right side uncheck all buffs, hover over each stat.

Willpower 1734.2 (1484.2 bonus) - dropped the .2 wherever that comes from.
Bonus dmg 750.7 (532 power, 1224 force power)
Crit 299, surge 284, alacrity 259.

put it all on one line like Kor did and add the on proc relic:

shirt=datacrons,stats=1484willpower_1224forcepower_532power_299crit_284surge_259​​​alacrity
relic2=plasma_burst_device,equip=ondamage_168elemental_30%_4.5cd

Except that's not the number you should be putting in... the total willpower gain from gear is only 1346. Add up the amounts on the gear only and you'll see the difference.

1346 doesn't account for any datacrons. So it would be at least 1386. The part I don't know is if the sim takes into account will of the sith or not. 6% on total willpower (6%*1636=98) + 1386 = 1484.

[Caltiom]

(03-14-2012 01:50 PM)Arasaka Wrote:  1346 doesn't account for any datacrons. So it would be at least 1386. The part I don't know is if the sim takes into account will of the sith or not. 6% on total willpower (6%*1636=98) + 1386 = 1484.

SimC only wants stats on your gear ( + datacrons ). Everything else is taken care of by the program.

[Thepixel]

So at this point there are two sets that are very very close, can anyone improve upon either?

Also feel free to check the mrrobot profiles to make sure I didn't make any mistakes translating them over!



With default settings + 50k iterations results show:

1654.8 DPS

EDIT: Askmrrobot profile here

Code:

head=rakata_force_masters_headgear,stats=_44end_61willpower__29end_48willpower_3​​7power_24end_37crit_51surge
ear=columi_force_masters_relay,stats=80end_97willpower_41power_48alacrity__28wil​​lpower
shirt=datacrons,stats=40str_40aim_40cunning_40willpower_40pre_40end
chest=rakata_force_mystics_robe,stats=_44end_61willpower__29end_48willpower_37po​​wer__24end_37crit_51surge
waist=saber_marshals_waistwrap,stats=_44end_61willpower__29end_48willpower_37pow​​er
legs=rakata_force_masters_lower_robe,stats=_44end_61willpower__29end_48willpower​​_37power__24end_37power_51alacrity
feet=rakata_force_masters_boots,stats=_55end_51willpower__29end_48willpower_37po​​wer__24end_37crit_51surge
wrists=saber_marshals_bracers,stats=_44end_61willpower__29end_48willpower_37powe​​r
hands=rakata_force_masters_gloves,stats=_44end_61willpower__29end_48willpower_37​​power__24end_37crit_51surge
implant1=vehemence_nano_optic_resolve_system,stats=50end_62willpower_40power_25c​​rit_69alacrity_28willpower
implant2=vehemence_nano_optic_resolve_system,stats=50end_62willpower_40power_25c​​rit_69alacrity_28willpower
relic1=rakata_relic_of_boundless_ages,stats=77end_28willpower,equip=380Power_120​​cd_20dur
relic2=plasma_burst_device,stats=77end,equip=ondamage_168elemental_30%_4.5cd
main_hand=echo_of_xoxaan,stats=_41power__612forcepower_44end_61willpower__29end_​​48willpower_37power__24end_37power_51surge,weapon=lightsaber_306min_459max
off_hand=rakata_stalkers_power_generator,stats=85end_103willpower_612forcepower_​​77crit_51surge

And the other option, last sim at 1653.9 DPS:

EDIT: Askmrrobot profile here

Code:

head=rakata_force_masters_headgear,stats=_44end_61willpower_29end_48willpower_37​​power_24end_37power_51alacrity
ear=columi_force_masters_relay,stats=80end_97willpower_41power_48alacrity_28will​​power
shirt=datacrons,stats=40str_40aim_40cunning_40willpower_40pre_40end
chest=rakata_force_mystics_robe,stats=_44end_61willpower_29end_48willpower_37pow​​er_24end_37power_51surge
waist=saber_marshals_waistwrap,stats=_44end_61willpower_29end_48willpower_37crit​​
legs=rakata_force_masters_lower_robe,stats=_44end_61willpower_29end_48willpower_​​37power_24end_37power_51surge
feet=rakata_force_masters_boots,stats=_55end_51willpower_29end_48willpower_37pow​​er_24end_37power_51alacrity
wrists=saber_marshals_bracers,stats=_44end_61willpower_29end_48willpower_37crit
hands=rakata_force_masters_gloves,stats=_44end_61willpower_29end_48willpower_37p​​ower_24end_37power_51alacrity
implant1=expert_nano_optic_resolve_system,stats=50end_62willpower_40power_25crit​​_40surge_29alacrity_28willpower
implant2=expert_nano_optic_resolve_system,stats=50end_62willpower_40power_25crit​​_40surge_29alacrity_28willpower
relic1=rakata_relic_of_boundless_ages,stats=77end_28willpower,equip=380Power_120​​cd_20dur
relic2=plasma_burst_device,stats=77end,equip=ondamage_168elemental_30%_4.5cd
main_hand=echo_of_xoxaan,stats=_41power_612forcepower_44end_61willpower_29end_48​​willpower_37power_24end_37crit_51surge,weapon=lightsaber_306min_459max
off_hand=rakata_stalkers_power_generator,stats=85end_103willpower_612forcepower_​​77crit_51surge

I'll try to put up some askmrrobot profiles for those who don't understand the code.

[Caltiom]

(03-16-2012 01:23 AM)Thepixel Wrote:  So at this point there are two sets that are very very close, can anyone improve upon either?

I ran those 2 gear sets + the current bis for a Hybrid Sorcerer with 10^6 iterations:

original current bis: 1628.41 dps
profile1: 1663.36 dps, 0.0329 95% confidence error.
profile2: 1663.23 dps, 0.0330 95% confidence error

So profile1 is significantly better than profile 2, but only in a statistical kind of way

Those sims include revision 6e075590194e and revision d35702f1ca7a, should explain slight dps difference to 114-3.

It looks like we are getting to a point were marginal gains get extremly small, and different specs might need different gear sets. So one should always mention for which one he is trying to enhance the gear set, oh and add the error number ( represents a more direct accuracy measurement than the number of iterations. You can find a number with more digits after the decimal under statistics & data analysis -> dps )

Slightly offtopic: I'm always getting very strange character encodings when copying something from a sithwarrior.com code block. Could this be because of the forum settings, or do you guys just use some strange encodings?