Highest DPS Assassin Madness spec/rotation?

[Thepixel]

(03-24-2012 02:05 AM)Lineli Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 12:30 AM)Dirtnap Wrote:  The reason to use tkthrow is during potency it has a 60% chance to crit, which means every time for my mileage plus it's amazing for force regen coming up as nearly free. I usually use this after my first FiB during potency so my ability looks thus: CDs>Severforce>forcebreach>FiB>tkthrow(useful for the force refund(only during potency)>shadow strike(FW)>DS spam.

This is usually my priority with the dots and FiB exchanging places after the initial setup. If this is in anyway gimping me I can't tell as I'm usually the first done during counsel by a well enough margin.

The question however becomes this, would you gain more Energy/Damage from using Saber Strikes in place of that Force Lightning/TKthrow.

Given we are Assassin/Shadow I would think that the Saber Strikes would be better in the long run, especially with the 2-set from Stalker gear.

I'll run some math and see what i can find, it's certainly an interesting prospect and with appropriate conditions may be a real thing.

[CaseyTheRetard]

(03-24-2012 02:05 AM)Lineli Wrote:  The question however becomes this, would you gain more Energy/Damage from using Saber Strikes in place of that Force Lightning/TKthrow.

Given we are Assassin/Shadow I would think that the Saber Strikes would be better in the long run, especially with the 2-set from Stalker gear.

Simulating 3 assassins in Simulationcraft:

1. Sith_Assassin_Madness: baseline.
2. Reck_FL: Hold Recklessness until Death Field has less than 3 seconds on CD, use FL and DF in some order when Recklessness is popped.
3. Low_Force_FL: Use FL when below the force threshold for Thrashing - 45 in the default profile - instead of Saber Strike.

Neither use of FL is a DPS increase. Looking at Damage-Per-Execute-Time for Reck_FL:



You can see that FL, even with +60% crit chance from only being used with Recklessness, has a very small marginal DPET increase over simply Saber Strike.

.simc:

Code:

Sith_Assassin_Madness.simc

copy=Reck_FL
actions=stim,type=exotech_resolve
actions+=/mark_of_power
actions+=/lightning_charge
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/stealth
actions+=/power_potion
actions+=/recklessness,if=cooldown.death_field.remains<3
actions+=/force_cloak,if=buff.dark_embrace.down
actions+=/overcharge_saber
actions+=/death_field
actions+=/force_lightning,if=buff.recklessness.up
actions+=/crushing_darkness,if=buff.raze.react
actions+=/discharge,if=!dot.lightning_discharge.ticking
actions+=/assassinate
actions+=/creeping_terror,if=!ticking
actions+=/maul,if=buff.exploit_weakness.react
actions+=/thrash,if=force>45
actions+=/saber_strike

copy=Low_Force_FL
actions=stim,type=exotech_resolve
actions+=/mark_of_power
actions+=/lightning_charge
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/stealth
actions+=/power_potion
actions+=/recklessness
actions+=/force_cloak,if=buff.dark_embrace.down
actions+=/overcharge_saber
actions+=/death_field
actions+=/crushing_darkness,if=buff.raze.react
actions+=/discharge,if=!dot.lightning_discharge.ticking
actions+=/assassinate
actions+=/creeping_terror,if=!ticking
actions+=/maul,if=buff.exploit_weakness.react
actions+=/thrash,if=force>45
actions+=/force_lightning
actions+=/saber_strike

[Deejah]

(03-15-2012 03:17 PM)Thepixel Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 06:51 AM)Talonwk9 Wrote:  Refresh death field, discharge and Unearthed Knowledge with Shock. Make sure to avoid clipping your discharge otherwise you will lose a tick of damage each rotation.

You're close, but remove Shock and UK, then watch the magic happen. We talk about it for a bit in the Simcraft Assassin thread here.

Yeah, Pixel, would you please post the spec for us to see where those points from chain shock and UK go? I feel that the only other option I have is to put them in PvP talents (which I suppose would still be better than putting them in chain shock if you'll never be using shock, but still) and I feel that's a bit of a waste. Especially since we already spent 3 skill points on semi-PvP skills in Darkness. Admittedly, they do have their utility in PvE.

[Thepixel]

(03-28-2012 08:06 PM)Deejah Wrote:  Yeah, Pixel, would you please post the spec for us to see where those points from chain shock and UK go? I feel that the only other option I have is to put them in PvP talents (which I suppose would still be better than putting them in chain shock if you'll never be using shock, but still) and I feel that's a bit of a waste. Especially since we already spent 3 skill points on semi-PvP skills in Darkness. Admittedly, they do have their utility in PvE.

It's truly flavor and personal preference, I have heard some comments from others that they like to keep chain shock to use on trash mobs and the like but I find that too be far too force heavy and I honestly don't even have shock on my bars at this point.

For raiding I definitely recomment 7/3/31 over 5/5/31 (trading 2 in Dark Embrace for two in Lightning Recovery), and this is the current build I'm using for raids with a little pvp thrown in.

[AmonAmarth]

(03-29-2012 05:27 AM)Thepixel Wrote:  ...... and this is the current build I'm using for raids with a little pvp thrown in.

Hi Thepixel, I am using this for raiding and pvp as well. I'm curious to see what kind of dps you can output in pvp with this build.

I have the champion MH, OH, gloves, headpiece and boots, rest is battlemaster stalker set. In this gear I got the 300k dps medal for possibly my first time ever (they had a ton of healers). I see my sage buddies easily topping 400k dps in the same WZs.

Do you have this experience as well or are you topping the charts?

If I'm trying to top the dps charts, I just dot everyone up and then follow our standard rotation (no shock/project) on whichever target we are trying to burst down.

Thanks!

[Marblehead]

Has it been tested whether a madness rotation without shock/project is still optimal without the pve 4-piece bonus?

[frmorrison]

(04-02-2012 06:34 PM)Marblehead Wrote:  Has it been tested whether a madness rotation without shock/project is still optimal without the pve 4-piece bonus?

Yes, removing Shock from the rotation is higher dps without adding in any set bonuses. The 4 set bonus is very good, and makes the shock-less build even better.

[Tekas]

(03-29-2012 05:27 AM)Thepixel Wrote:  this is the current build I'm using for raids with a little pvp thrown in.

I'm curious, do you find lightning recovery that useful (I assume this is flavor for pvp)? I can see the 20s Force Speed being nice, but a 150s CD Force Cloak seems underwhelming. I'd think the extra damage from Electric Execution would be more useful.

I've got 2 points in Dak Embrace right now, but I wonder how useful it really is. I seem to rarely run out of force as long as I follow a strict rotation, but coming from Deception I'm having a hard time convincing myself I don't need it!