Threat conversation

[Kaedis]

Quote:Not entierly unrelated ... are any specifics known about the 'Bonethrasher' encounter?

From what I could gather these things are at least true:
- immune to taunts (obviously)
- if the targeted player uses any threat dump (0.25 or 25 coefficient ones alike) the boss will switch to the next target immediately
- effectively has random aggro

My question is, do players not build any threat against him in the first place or does he dump his threat each time he uses an ability. Or phrased differently, is the -0.99 threatmodifier applied each time he strikes or is it a passive effect.

I'd like to figure out what makes him switch targets, when using any threat reduction ability. And I'm just asking for information you might have on the fight that I overlooked.

I have no hard data for this fight. However, I know that I tend to get targeted more than anyone else in my raid (and I'm definitely highest dps on that fight), and I'm one of the few that will get targeted 2 or 3 times back to back (the healers really hate that), so I suspect that threat has something to do with that fight, I just don't know how.

Quote:On topic:
How sure are you about the 0.25 modfier being 25%?

I would say 100% certain. From my tests, I know for a fact that the threat drop can push a mob off me to another player (that I just pulled aggro off of) if that player is standing directly under the mob (ie. in the 110% category), which implies that that the threat drop is at least an 18% threat drop. I also know that the threat drop cannot push a mob off me to another player (that I just pulled off of) standing at range to the mob, implying the ability is no more than a 40% threat drop. Given that the game files specifically notate 0.25, the only conclusion I can draw is that it is in fact a 25% drop.

Quote:I always use my Chaff Flare and yet pull threat quite frequently, especially within the first 30% of an encounter or throughout fights that have a periodic threat reset (like Foreman Crusher).
Although I wouldn't exclude the possibility of our tanks not using taunt frequently enough within their rotation. :-x

Or on Jarg and Sorno I was shooting at Jarg together with our Sorcerer (we supposedly deal most damage in the raid and suspect that we're very close to each other, as far as Infernal Council can be used as a measurement) and I did use my threat dump when he didn't. I ended up 2nd in Jarg's threat list every time (and got carbonized), wich would seem impossible with Chaff Flare dumping 25% of my threat. I'm simply looking for an explenation for this and 0.25 translating to 0.25% would be a reasonably one.

I suspect he actually sticks to the target he selects the first carbonize for the rest of the fight, and/or selects targets after Carbonize from something other than just raw threat (saw a comment about this same effect on the official forums recently as well). The player in question could be extricated (100% threat drop) and still get aggro on him after the tank was carbonized. Incidentally, many other fights in operations have threat drops or threat resets that contribute to you pulling threat. I have the same issue. I get regular Extricates/Intercedes instead.

Quote:ps: Sorry for doubting more established members of this board on my first post, but I can't help to see a gap between your theory and my raid experience.

Theorycrafting is science, plain and simple. Never fear doubting the established knowledge regardless of who is professing it (but make sure you at least have some rationale, as you do in this case!). Anyone who thinks enough of themselves that they can't bear to be wrong (or thinks that being wrong somehow diminishes them as a person) doesn't really belong in a scientific discussion anyway. Being wrong is not bad, it's good (because we learned something!). Doubt is good in science, it's the cog that makes everything tick.