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bural · (This post was last modified: 02-17-2012 12:23 AM by bural.)

1) Yep, already fixed it
2) Cheers
3) Commented on this a while back. Feedback regarding the modeled vs. ingame hit damage would be much appreciated. Given Heatseeker is used in favor of Tracer Missiles and doesn't have significantly higher DPH at 1 stack of Heat Signatures, I can't say I'm al that surprised simply using Tracer Missiles is more effective given it procs Barrage (which is over 2 times as efficient) and has 15% higher crit rate.
4) Short answer: in an ideal situation, it would be slightly superior. Longer answer: TSO is a tool to assist heat management. If you're already high on heat for whatever reason, having to wait for Unload (or even worse spamming Tracers for a Barrage proc) could be problematic. The chances of Unload lining up with HSM are fairly small. I can try calculating the opportunity cost in terms of damage of using DfA in your singletarget rotation and see how it works out.

On a somewhat related note, information regarding the DfA's ability (or lack thereof) to proc TV multible times would be much appreciated. Same goes for Fusion Missile.

Fado · 02-16-2012, 11:49 PM

(02-16-2012 08:18 PM)Crythe Wrote: Few comments based on last version of spreadsheet:

- Dfa overall damage is about the same damage as non-barraged Unload(full Dfa is ahead with just 224 damage for me). Wouldn't it be better to use TSO with Unload as it can also vent some extra heat and use Dfa only in multi target situations? That's assuming you can't get free HSM off at the end of Dfa(never managed to do that as trooper).

I can corfirm you can use HSM after DFA and have both under TSO. must be timed well, but 95% of times i can pull this off. Using Barraged unload after DFA doesnt seem to work, however the oposite, start with Unload and then HSM and try to get both free of heat might work... Anyone on this? (will try that tonight)

Crythe · 02-17-2012, 01:51 AM

Seems the BH only "feature". Trooper version of TSO buff dissappears as soon as you start casting anything and does not make anything free beyond that.

bural · (This post was last modified: 02-17-2012 02:29 AM by bural.)

Annoying. Ah well, tt can be toggled in the sheet so atleast it's covered.
Also, I have a Barrage fix in the tubes which significantly affects the rotation. I need to change the TV model aswell however. Additionally, armor effects may need a revamp.

With the new Barrage model implemented, using TSO with Unload/Barrage instead of DfA increases dps by 0.93%.

Allah · 02-17-2012, 02:22 AM

Neither of our 2 mercs can get TSO+DFA > HSM to make both free. What ability delay are you using?

I can proc TV from DFA if thats what you're asking bural

bural · (This post was last modified: 02-17-2012 02:45 AM by bural.)

Can you proc multible though? Given there's a definitely a delay before certain buffs are registrered, it's reasonable to assume some proc cooldowns could be affected as well. Thus to phrase it more precisely: Can hitting 2 or more targets with DfA give multible TV procs? You can test it by AoE'ing a large pack and see if you suddenly vent 16 heat on f.x. the first impact.

Lately, the Ability Queue feature just seems increasingly problematic as it's apparently hooked into several core mechanics, that it really has no business messing with.

Allah · 02-17-2012, 02:51 AM

(02-17-2012 02:42 AM)bural Wrote: Can you proc multible though? Given there's a definitely a delay before certain buffs are registrered, it's reasonable to assume some proc cooldowns could be affected as well. Thus to phrase it more precisely: Can hitting 2 or more targets with DfA give multible TV procs? You can test it by AoE'ing a large pack and see if you suddenly vent 16 heat on f.x. the first impact.

Lately, the Ability Queue feature just seems increasingly problematic as it's apparently hooked into several core mechanics, that it really has no business messing with.

Given what causes the TSO feature, im pretty sure no you cant proc TV multiple times. I was looking at heat last night doing trash packs before gharj specifically and im almost certain i crit like 4-5 beast mobs and didnt notice more than usual heat venting.

Fado · 02-17-2012, 04:25 AM

(02-17-2012 02:22 AM)Allah Wrote: Neither of our 2 mercs can get TSO+DFA > HSM to make both free. What ability delay are you using?

I can proc TV from DFA if thats what you're asking bural

Can they do it with TS>HSM and make both free? Also, have they tested it in solo situations or in ops groups?

Allah · 02-17-2012, 05:19 AM

(02-17-2012 04:25 AM)Fado Wrote:
(02-17-2012 02:22 AM)Allah Wrote: Neither of our 2 mercs can get TSO+DFA > HSM to make both free. What ability delay are you using?

I can proc TV from DFA if thats what you're asking bural

Can they do it with TS>HSM and make both free? Also, have they tested it in solo situations or in ops groups?

We can make any casted nuke like tracer/fusion into any instant cast HSM/Explosive dart/rail/unload/etc free. A channel into an instant doesnt work at all for us. Ive tested both solo and in ops.

Fado · 02-17-2012, 10:43 PM

(02-17-2012 05:19 AM)Allah Wrote:
(02-17-2012 04:25 AM)Fado Wrote:
(02-17-2012 02:22 AM)Allah Wrote: Neither of our 2 mercs can get TSO+DFA > HSM to make both free. What ability delay are you using?

I can proc TV from DFA if thats what you're asking bural

Can they do it with TS>HSM and make both free? Also, have they tested it in solo situations or in ops groups?

We can make any casted nuke like tracer/fusion into any instant cast HSM/Explosive dart/rail/unload/etc free. A channel into an instant doesnt work at all for us. Ive tested both solo and in ops.

Last night tested it on operation. DFA doesnt work anymore. I can only wonder if i was mislead or if it has anything to do with the changes on ability activation from previous patch. I found however Unload to be unreliable to use, sometimes it wasnt free.