Alacrity - Little effect on sustained HPS

[Smokeskin]

Another thing to consider is KP proccing TA while you're at 1 TA and casting KI. Those procs are wasted, and the amount of waste is reduced by alacrity. I've run the numbers on it and it means that at 200 alacrity rating and 300 surge rating, increasing alacrity provides around 75% of the effect that surge does for sustained healing, and while it provides 400% the effect for burst healing. At 350 surge rating, alacrity is equal to surge for sustained healing, but 550% more effective for burst healing.

Depending on how badly you favor a bit of sustained healing to a good amount of burst, it seems to me that we should go for surge ratings somewhere between 250 and 300.

[Kuramasu]

(02-23-2012 12:30 AM)Smokeskin Wrote:  Another thing to consider is KP proccing TA while you're at 1 TA and casting KI. Those procs are wasted, and the amount of waste is reduced by alacrity. I've run the numbers on it and it means that at 200 alacrity rating and 300 surge rating, increasing alacrity provides around 75% of the effect that surge does for sustained healing, and while it provides 400% the effect for burst healing. At 350 surge rating, alacrity is equal to surge for sustained healing, but 550% more effective for burst healing.

Depending on how badly you favor a bit of sustained healing to a good amount of burst, it seems to me that we should go for surge ratings somewhere between 250 and 300.

Could you please show us your calculations? You're results are radically different from all of my results or of any results I've seen on these forums. I'm not saying that your wrong, but I need to see your numbers to understand how you could come up with such different results.

Also I don't understand how stacking alacrity would reduce the amount of TA procs wasted from casting KI. It would actually INCREASE the amount wasted because your casting KI slightly more in alacrity focused gear.

[Kaedis]

Quote:Also I don't understand how stacking alacrity would reduce the amount of TA procs wasted from casting KI. It would actually INCREASE the amount wasted because your casting KI slightly more in alacrity focused gear.

You also have a higher chance of having a KP tick during a KI cast with lower Alacrity, meaning a higher chance of a wasted proc. The only way less Alacrity implies less wasted procs is if you interrupt KI if there's a TA proc during the cast, which I really can't see as being an optimal choice.

[Smokeskin]

(02-23-2012 06:02 AM)Kuramasu Wrote:  Could you please show us your calculations? You're results are radically different from all of my results or of any results I've seen on these forums. I'm not saying that your wrong, but I need to see your numbers to understand how you could come up with such different results.

Also I don't understand how stacking alacrity would reduce the amount of TA procs wasted from casting KI. It would actually INCREASE the amount wasted because your casting KI slightly more in alacrity focused gear.

I'll post the spreadsheet, just need to clean it up a bit.

The number of KI casts are limited by energy, and only the extra energy from more DS casts help with that. But alacrity cuts far more off KI cast time than is gained in energy from more DS casts, so the net result is less total time spent casting KI with more alacrity.

[Smokeskin]

Posted my spreadsheet here:

http://sithwarrior.com/forums/Thread-Ope...?pid=15362

[Bombalurina]

Alacrity is pretty crap considering we rely on being mobile while throwing instant casts. In PvP of course. But it's not something I'd pass up in the talents.

4% extra alacrity helps quite a bit if you're not having problems w/ survivability. I personally won't die for days of playing.

But if it's my choice over alacrity vs any stat. It'll be something else.

[Smokeskin]

(02-24-2012 11:03 AM)Bombalurina Wrote:  Alacrity is pretty crap considering we rely on being mobile while throwing instant casts. In PvP of course. But it's not something I'd pass up in the talents.

4% extra alacrity helps quite a bit if you're not having problems w/ survivability. I personally won't die for days of playing.

But if it's my choice over alacrity vs any stat. It'll be something else.

Obviously if you're only using instants, alacrity won't help you. But the DR on surge is so high you're not getting much benefit there either after a certain point. I guess you're better of getting accuracy then, if you use Ranged attacks more than cast time heals.

[denDAY04]

Why would you want to get accuracy? To my knowledge it doesn't benefit healing at all. Sure you might argue that alacrity is bad, but if you've hit a soft cap on surge making it pretty much useless to further stack, then you might as well go for alacrity which can still benefit you if you want to take advantage of it.

[Smokeskin]

(02-24-2012 07:23 PM)denDAY04 Wrote:  Why would you want to get accuracy? To my knowledge it doesn't benefit healing at all. Sure you might argue that alacrity is bad, but if you've hit a soft cap on surge making it pretty much useless to further stack, then you might as well go for alacrity which can still benefit you if you want to take advantage of it.

He said he only relied on instant cast heals in pvp, and I did say it was only if he uses Ranged attacks more than cast time heals. Accuracy only works on our 5 range abilities, it does nothing for healing or tech attacks like Shiv.

I think alacrity is highly underrated, it helps tremendously with burst healing, and the diminishing returns on Surge are really, really harsh. I'm shooting for 250 surge myself and the rest in alacrity, but that's for pve.

[denDAY04]

@Smokeskin
Yeah read your post and have also downloaded your sheet. It does sound like a valid way to go in my opinion, but I think I'll wait until I get around 250 surge and then run the numbers myself to see what way I'll go. Who knows, it might chance meanwhile. But I think your point is valid--I mean Bioware must have chosen the stats of the Rakata Medic gear for a purpose.