Annihilation | Watchmen Compendium

[Ishnu]

Quote:2 Narrowed Hatred recommended With this you can free up up to two enhancements you may want to change.
2 Enraged Charge optional Very small DPS boost, but rage generation feels much smoother. You cannot profit at all Bosses from it, so actually it is better not getting used to it.

please dont list enraged charge as very small DPS boost, it is in fact a higher DPS boost than narrowed hatred and still has one extra skill point

if you skill narrowed hatred, you can convert the accuracy you have to spent to reach the cap (may it be 8%, 10% or whatever, doesnt matter that much here) into another tertiary stat, being surge for obvious reasons
at my current equip level, which is pretty high, i would need near to 6k DPS to counter the extra VS every 24secs with surge alone

yes, there are bosses where you can not maintain a steady rotation of charge because you need it for the knockback, but in the actual content its only gharj

[Ishnu]

as i wanted to get exact numbers for the increase when skilling charge instead of hit, i noticed a difference between my hand maths and my spreadsheet

spreadsheet values were flawed, i fixed it, the increase for skilling charge is not as much as i previously thought it would be

breaking point for skilling hit instead of charge at my equip would be ~3,5k DPS

[Zerix]

How does 1 str compare to 1 surge rating for dps gain ? Just wondering how much surge rating I can trade off for str to help choose between pieces of gear (like if a piece of gear has 30 surge rating and there is another piece which trades this 30 surge rating for 20 strength, which would be better ?). I would guess that the str one would be better since str has no DR while surge has DR but curious to see the math behind it.

[Ishnu]

(02-12-2012 04:07 AM)Zerix Wrote:  How does 1 str compare to 1 surge rating for dps gain ? Just wondering how much surge rating I can trade off for str to help choose between pieces of gear (like if a piece of gear has 30 surge rating and there is another piece which trades this 30 surge rating for 20 strength, which would be better ?). I would guess that the str one would be better since str has no DR while surge has DR but curious to see the math behind it.

depends on your actual gear.

[Greenebud]

I have a question regarding your "Accuracy Information."

You are stating, "10% including Talents."
-May I ask where to look for this percent?
-Character Screen shows full percent, but does this not include talents?
-Can you explain why 10% is the cap?
-When it comes to gear is it worth it swapping Mods/Enhancements for more accuracy? and where are the best places to get these Mods/Enhancements (low level and high level)

[Zerix]

(02-12-2012 04:35 AM)Ishnu Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 04:07 AM)Zerix Wrote:  How does 1 str compare to 1 surge rating for dps gain ? Just wondering how much surge rating I can trade off for str to help choose between pieces of gear (like if a piece of gear has 30 surge rating and there is another piece which trades this 30 surge rating for 20 strength, which would be better ?). I would guess that the str one would be better since str has no DR while surge has DR but curious to see the math behind it.

depends on your actual gear.

Well, there are atleast two scenarios , before 85% surge rating and after 85% surge rating (related to surge DR). If you can, please elaborate what you mean by depends on the gear by mentioning how it actually depends on gear so that it actually helps everyone who is interested in all possible scenarios (since not everyone who visits this thread has the same gear and may be interested in different scenarios).

Also Genu, I remember that the old guide had something like 10 str = 13 power and go for the item with the power stat if you gain more than 1.3 times the str as compared to the strength piece . Did you remove that from the updated guide ?

[Zerix]

(02-12-2012 07:12 AM)Greenebud Wrote:  I have a question regarding your "Accuracy Information."

You are stating, "10% including Talents."
-May I ask where to look for this percent?
-Character Screen shows full percent, but does this not include talents?
-Can you explain why 10% is the cap?
-When it comes to gear is it worth it swapping Mods/Enhancements for more accuracy? and where are the best places to get these Mods/Enhancements (low level and high level)

This percentage shows on the character sheet. It does include the accuracy from talents as well. When he says 10%, he is referring to 100% on the base attacks (or 110% on the special attacks). The reasoning behind the 10% is that bosses have a 10% chance to block/deflect/parry attacks so if you have the extra 10% , then none of your abilities should miss. Based on another thread linked in the previous page, it seems like this cap may be closer to 8% instead of 10%.

Most of the rakata gear comes with accuracy mods and you will have a lot more accuracy on your gear than you would end up wanting. You can find other mods to replace them from either of the following -
1) Gear from tokens for other classes (like Rakata Operative Gloves etc)
2) Sometimes the mod on your columi gear may be better if you are above the accuracy cap to replace it so you can take a look at that too
3) Some bosses in operations drop enhancement mods. Hope that the ones you want drop and pray that you win it.

[Ishnu]

(02-12-2012 07:18 AM)Zerix Wrote:  Well, there are atleast two scenarios , before 85% surge rating and after 85% surge rating (related to surge DR). If you can, please elaborate what you mean by depends on the gear by mentioning how it actually depends on gear so that it actually helps everyone who is interested in all possible scenarios (since not everyone who visits this thread has the same gear and may be interested in different scenarios).

im afraid its not that easy, i try to explain it a little

first of all, surge (like any other stat except main+pwr) has a continued decrease in rating, not a certain point where it changes from being good to being bad
good and bad are always subjective to the perspective, and thus the breaking point varys
as you want to look at a comparison of "in what case one stat gets better than another", you should refrain from using such barriers

strength mainly contributes to bonus dmg, and very little to crit
thus the base dmg of your abilities increase with a multiplier, the multiplier is depending on the ability
out of the increase of the basedmg and your crit and surge values, you can determine your dps gain from strength

your surge rating is only increasing your critical hits and gives a procentual boost to your basedmg, the surge you already have is only interfering because of diminishing return. to compare it easily, its better to calculate with % instead of rating.
so the dps gain of %surge is dependant on how hard you hit (or how much DPS you're doing) and how high your critchance is

you can now compare how much strength you would need to reach the same dps gain benefit of 1% surge, recalculate to surge rating depending on your actual surge and you see the direct comparison of strength and surge rating at your equip level

as you can see, the comparison of such 2 attributes are highly affected by your current stats and DPS
i cant give you a general value, because there is non and every attempt to create one will be very situation dependant and thus inaccurate

€:

Quote:I remember that the old guide had something like 10 str = 13 power

1str = 0,2 bonus dmg + 0,06% crit
1pwr = 0,23 bonus dmg

[Bosis]

(02-12-2012 04:07 AM)Zerix Wrote:  How does 1 str compare to 1 surge rating for dps gain ? Just wondering how much surge rating I can trade off for str to help choose between pieces of gear (like if a piece of gear has 30 surge rating and there is another piece which trades this 30 surge rating for 20 strength, which would be better ?). I would guess that the str one would be better since str has no DR while surge has DR but curious to see the math behind it.

um you wont really have to compare STR and surge for which you will want. Surge will be on enhancemants only and str on mods and armoring only. so really ur looking at comparion surge to crit power and acuracy.

[Ishnu]

there are other items than the 5 big armorpieces and your weapons bosis, maybe it will matter at some earpiece, implant or whatever constellation