Operative pre-raid equipment as good as full rakata gear?

[Anonymousy]

I've completed my spreadsheet for the stats and gains and would like to ask for peer review.

update:
current version of the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...ieVE#gid=2

The conclusion of my analysis is that bind on equip gear performs between 4-7% of full Rakata. I calculated it with a concealment operative in mind but i expect the results to hold true for the other specs as well.
The only bind on pick-up gear I used are champion lvl pvp weapons for their tech power.

The equipment I calculated with:
Champion enforcer's knife (use peerless grandmaster informan's before getting it)
Champion enforcer's rifle (prior a modifiable rifle with skill 22 barrel)
purple bonded mesh wrists (power, surge rating)
Waist (you can also get purple bonded mesh here but mods are better), Chest, Head, Feet, Hands, Legs Modded (see below)
purple serenity ear (power, surge rating)
purple nano-optic skill implant (power, surge rating)
matrix cube (RRR)
Armoring: purple skill 22
Mod: purple artful 22
Enhancement: purple adept 22

Buffs/Talents used:
IA Buff for +5% crit chance
Lethality talent for +6% crit chance
Medic talent for +6% cun

I calculated the damage of overload shot, backstab, shiv, laceration and corrosive dart (possibly with a systematic error in backstab and laceration that should not influence the % differences).

I ended with 1397 cun, 1104 end, 1210 techpower, 459 power, 108 crit, 295 surge, 58 accuracy and 29 alacrity, resulting in 13540 hp, 663 total bonus dmg, 25.42 bonus dmg from crits and 102% accuracy for special attacks.

[Revel]

I believe everything looks correct. You could actually add a few Augments to the slots, generally adding +28 Main Stat. This would actually cut down the difference further. The fact that Rakata puts many of the secondary stat bonuses into Accuracy, rather than spreading them out, seems to be a primary factor to why the other bonuses look quite small.

The most noticeable difference to me is the health/survivability difference. The armor rating may be a forgotten factor as well, but I forget the exact gains from medium armor ratings, I believe it is roughly a difference in damage reduction of 10%. The 3000 health is valuable for certain fights where you take large chunks of damage (Soa, Karagga come to mind). And if you're a healer, then in current mechanics, you often take large amounts of damage from trash fights, so it may be noticeable in those encounters.

[CaseyTheRetard]

You are scaling the base damage from ability ranks incorrectly, unless you are assuming a character that never trains past the first rank of each ability. The level used to index the standard health table isn't the level when you learn the FIRST rank of an ability, it's the level you learned the most recent rank. For talented abilities, it's always the character's current level.

[Anonymousy]

new on googledocs (open to be edited, if you want to copy it for other classes, add some skills etc, feel free to):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...3h2d3hieVE

you sure about that casey? i thought it would be the rank of the ability. what improvement does buying the next rank of an ability bring if the damage depends on the level of the user?
it would increase the base damage of the abilities and therefore reducing the difference.

I further fixed some oversights:
- Backstab has (if talented) another 30% of surge, favoring the higher crit chance of rakata (might be compensated by using some crit/surge enhancements opposed to the power/surge but then we would need to get into the full rotation that i'm avoiding for now)
- Colorcrystal: power is too rare to calculate with it. use lethal (crit) instead
- Downgraded the champion pvp knife to centurion because I thought the bags would now give commendations that would make acquiring a specific part simple
- Downgraded champion pvp rifle, grab the skill barrel 23 for 7 ilum commendations (reasonable without calling it farming) and use modifiable as replacement (weapons have one of the biggest impact on the results)
- added tabs for equip collections and skill dmg results

clarification:
just because i stumped on it myself for a second: the damage numbers might seem small, but that's because in your memory you have the big crits in mind, not the average damage.

[CaseyTheRetard]

(01-25-2012 09:20 PM)Anonymousy Wrote:  you sure about that casey? i thought it would be the rank of the ability. what improvement does buying the next rank of an ability bring if the damage depends on the level of the user?

The level used to index the standard health table is inherent to the rank of an ability. For trained abilities, it's the level at which that rank of an ability first becomes available. For talented abilities, there is a distinct rank for every level from 1-50 even though you never train them at all.

For example, say you are level 41. You trained Backstab rank 5 at level 35 when it became available. The StandardHealth/Damage value for Backstab is 1280 (for level 35) and for Laceration it's 1400 (for level 41).

[Wolfsfable]

Honestly Rakata gear and Battlemaster gear I find extremely lack luster. Not only are the set bonuses not better or different the time and money spent gathering rakata just seems bleh.

I really wish they would revamp the gear, not only give it more stats but also a new look other than changing colors between columi.

*heres to hoping the devs get off their duffs on this one*

[Maxyim]

(01-26-2012 05:40 PM)Wolfsfable Wrote:  Honestly Rakata gear and Battlemaster gear I find extremely lack luster. Not only are the set bonuses not better or different the time and money spent gathering rakata just seems bleh.

I really wish they would revamp the gear, not only give it more stats but also a new look other than changing colors between columi.

*heres to hoping the devs get off their duffs on this one*

I do not have Excel handy to mess with this and it does not seem to be calculating within Google Docs. Question for you - have you by any chance been able to determine equivalency points for stats?

With cunning as the baseline, I think that we would all like to know how much of each secondary stat is worth a point of cunning; this will let us determine the worth / priority of each stat by itself.

Obviously, there are going to be some dependencies and breakpoints; for instance crit and surge are interconnected. I do not understand how accuracy works because the only misses I see are from Rifle Shot, however it would be good to know if it is worth capitalizing on this stat. Also, I am aware of some DR with crit / surge; what are these breakpoints?

Thanks for your help.

[Kaedis]

Maxyim, problem is, there are no definitive "breakpoints" where a stat suddenly becomes worth less than it used to be. DR is a constant smooth curve, with each point being less beneficial than the last. This means giving a solid table of stat weights (or equivalency points) basically impossible, as your EP for each stat will be heavily dependent not just on your class and spec (like most MMOs), but also how much of each stat you already have.

Once we have better tools for calculating stat weights, we'll post them here.

[Maxyim]

What are these breakpoints? I have not seen a definitive list anywhere yet.

[Anonymousy]

I think kor meant to say 'no definitive breakpoints' instead of 'now'. there is on the other hand a diminishing return plot but that's not really what you're looking for.