Crew Skills Compendium

[theothersteve7]

(01-13-2012 04:04 AM)frmorrison Wrote:  I think this is the benefit of being a Armstech or Artifice in that you can create orange weapons with an augment slot. Remember biochem reusable stims have more stats than the normal one-time use stim. Note the armor crafters cannot at this time make augment slot armor.

The Lightsaber is BOE. The Artificer perk is BOP relics. This adds a major complication to any plans of making moddable operation gear.

I highly doubt that lightsabers can be crit crafted but blasters and armor cannot.

[Bane]

Relic cooldowns fixed - I must have tested with 2x Power ones - Cheers

[monkeyswinkle]

I was poking around in Nodeviewer and found some stuff related to crew skills. I'm not sure if this is old news or what, but I haven't seen some of it explicitly stated anywhere.

Schematic & Item Nodes, and Chance to Learn New Schematics:

The prfResearchInfoPrototype node lists six levels of "research chance" (i.e. chance to learn new schematics from reverse engineering):
None = 0%
Very Low = 4%
Low = 8%
Medium = 10%
High = 16%
Very High = 20%

Ignoring None, this appears to confirm the suggestion linked at the bottom of the OP. But, alone, this isn't terribly informative.

However, if you look in the schematic nodes, each schematic has two of the research chances listed. For example, the Compact Medpac has Very High and Medium listed. This narrows it down better, but I am still not sure what determines which chance to use.

Each item schematic has its own two research chances, but there appear to be some patterns linking the tier of the item to a pair of research chance values:
Tiers 2 & 3 Very High (20%) & Medium (10%)
Tiers 4 & 5 High (16%) & Low (8%)
Tiers 6 & 7 Medium (10%) & Very Low (4%)

I'm not sure how clear it is which tier a specific item belongs to. Some are intuitive, but others might not be and might require some cross-referencing in Nodeviewer. The schematics nodes are all labeled with a reference to the item's tier, and the item node labels line up with those. The schematics nodes tell you the research chance and you can find the name of the items in the item nodes. For example, Reflex Barrel 2 is in the itm.mod.barrel.att_aim_end.premium.basemod_mk_201 item node and its schematic is in the schem.mod.barrel.att_aim_end.premium.basemod_mk_201 node. The 201 at the end designates it as a tier 2 schematic, so it has the Very High and Medium research chances associated with it. Anyways, the info is in there if anyone wants to take a look.

One take-home message from this is that it is harder to get new schematics for higher level items, which lines up with what people have been reporting.

So, one big question is what exactly determines which of the two research chances to use. The first thing that comes to mind for me is difficulty. I would guess that you can only get a new schematic from reverse engineering if the item is grey or green for you, and then it would use the higher of the two chances for grey and the lower of the two for green. But, I have no idea really.

The schematics and item nodes have some more interesting information in them. A lot of it is already known, like level and crew skill point requirements to craft, use, etc., binding rules, item values, item stats, crew skill point threshold numbers for the different difficulty colors, cost to learn the schematic, recipes, etc. There were a few things I didn't know though. One is that some schematics (e.g. artifact biochem consumables) have a field called prfDisableCritical set to true. I assume this means that you cannot crit on crafting those items. Another is that crafting times vary according to some variable, which I assume is difficulty (i.e. the easier it is to craft, the faster it goes). This is something I had intuitively known, and had probably heard about before. But, the specific base times are listed in the nodes. Assuming that the times are tied to difficulty is also one reason I suspected the two research chance values might be tied to difficulty as well. But, there are no specific labels for either research chances or crafting times. They are just listed as values that are presumably referenced by a specific parameter when the respective related action is performed.

Chance to Crit/Fail and Affection Bonuses:

The prfProfessionInfoPrototype node has some basic info on all the crafting skills. But, what caught my eye the most were sections that indicate chance to crit, chance to fail, and crit and efficiency maximums for companion affection.

Crafting crew skills cannot fail.

Harvesting and mission skills have a base failure rate based on difficulty:
Grey = 0%
Green = 1%
Yellow = 5%
Orange = 10%

All crew skills have a base crit chance based on difficulty:
Grey & Green= 15%
Yellow & Orange = 10%

And, the affection crit maximum is 5% and the affection efficiency maximum is 15%. Presumably, this is if you have maximized companion affection, and I don't know how these bonuses scale for affection less than maximum. I also assume that affection bonuses add to the base rates, plus any bonuses the individual companion has. Edit: See here for the formula for the affection efficiency bonus, which the reddit user Deimous worked out.

There are a few other nodes specifically related to companions, including their crew skill bonuses, and a lot of stuff on gift giving. But, I haven't fully checked them out yet, and I think a lot of this info is already known anyways. One thing to note is that all companion crew skill bonuses are to either crit chance or efficiency (and this lines up with the fact that there are only maximum affection values for those two stats), if there is still any question about this.

Schematic Variations from Reverse Engineering: The prfSchematicVariationsPrototype node appears to list all the possible variations you can have for items that you reverse engineer (i.e. versions that give crit, defense, power, etc.). The node has every craftable item listed, and then either 0 entries below it, if it is an item that doesn't reverse engineer into an improved version, or 17 entries, if it is. Each of the 17 entries has some numerical reference around 900-1000. These values appear to match up with numbers in the itmModifierPackageTablePrototype node. The numbers in the itmModifierPackageTablePrototype node specify what stat bonuses are associated with those values. So, putting two and two together, prfSchematicVariationsPrototype and itmModifierPackageTablePrototype together tell you the different variations you can get from reverse engineering, and what specific stats they give.

These variations line up with what people have reported (e.g. see here). Interestingly, note that if you include the three single stat variations, and then combinations of each of those three stats with the other five stats, that would give you a total of 18 variations. But, there are 17 variations, and the one missing is the exact one that people have found to be missing, defense + alacrity.

Deployable Companions: The node prfCompanionsTotalPrototype apparently tells you the level thresholds needed to be able to deploy more companions on crafting duties.:

2 companions @ level 1
3 companions @ level 25
4 companions @ level 41
5 companions @ level 48

Tiers & Levels and Mission Levels & Crew Skill Points:

The node prfTierInfoPrototype ties levels to seven crew skill tiers:

Levels 1-9 = Tier 1
Levels 10-16 = Tier 2
Levels 17-24 = Tier 3
Levels 25-32 = Tier 4
Levels 33-40 = Tier 5
Levels 41-48 = Tier 6
Levels 49-50 = Tier 7

It also ties mission levels to crew skill points (i.e. the number of points needed to open up missions of that level):

Code:

Mission Level    Crew Skill Points
10                1
12                15
14                35
16                55
17                65
18                70
19                80
20                90
21                100
22                110
23                115
24                120
25                125
26                135
27                145
28                150
29                160
30                165
31                175
32                185
33                190
34                195
35                205
36                210
37                220
38                230
39                240
40                250
41                260
42                265
43                275
44                285
45                295
46                300
47                310
48                320
49                330
50                340

Other crew skill related nodes: The rest of the nodes either look uninteresting, or are unintelligible to me. Someone else might be able to figure them out, though.

prfCraftingTablesData: This looks to just have stuff about crafting animations or something. It didn't look too interesting.

prfProfessionSubtypePrototype: This just has listings associating crew skill "subtypes" with their respective crew skills. For example, armormech has armormech medium and armormech heavy listed as subtypes. Not very interesting.

prfMissionResultsPrototype: This has nodes for each crew skill mission, and then three subsections, one for failure, one for success, and one for critical, with a string ID number associated with each. This looks to me like references to the flavor text you get when you complete a mission. Glancing at a few of the different missions, it looks like most or all of the failure and success values have the same string IDs associated with them, 100 for failure and 200 for success. But, the criticals all look to have unique values. So, this makes me think of generic "Your companion failed this task" kind of messages for those, and then the more descriptive ones you sometimes see on the mission results windows. But, I don't really know what this is.

prfDisassembleInfoPrototype: This has one section called prfDissasembleLoot, and then subsections for what looks like categories for every craftable item. In these subsections, there are 7 sections, which I think correspond to the 7 "tiers" of craftable items. Within each of those 7 sections, there are 4 integers labeled itmQualityPremium, itmQualityPrototype, itmQualityArtifact, and itmQualityLegendary. But, each of these integers' values are a long string of numbers and I don't have any idea what these correspond to (nodes?). Here's a little example of what this looks like, to make it clearer:

Code:

prfDissasembleLoot
    prfProfessionArmormechMedium
        1
            itmQualityPremium      3598805310767788706
            itmQualityPrototype    8659675450692403013
            itmQualityArtifact     3801007448619219863
            itmQualityLegendary   -1041582458313848914

So, in summary, I don't really know what this node is for.

[Kaedis]

Uh...wow. +Rep, bigtime (x3 to be exact). Excellent work!

[Oramac]

(01-14-2012 07:16 AM)monkeyswinkle Wrote:  Chance to Crit/Fail and Affection Bonuses:

The prfProfessionInfoPrototype node has some basic info on all the crafting skills. But, what caught my eye the most were sections that indicate chance to crit, chance to fail, and crit and efficiency maximums for companion affection.

Crafting crew skills cannot fail.

Harvesting and mission skills have a base failure rate based on difficulty:
Grey = 0%
Green = 1%
Yellow = 5%
Orange = 10%

All crew skills have a base crit chance based on difficulty:
Grey & Green= 15%
Yellow & Orange = 10%

And, the affection crit maximum is 5% and the affection efficiency maximum is 15%.

I don't know about all the other stuff, but looking at this it seems to me the best missions to use are Yellow ones. You have a lower base failure rate, while maintaining a 15% crit chance (assuming a max'd companion affection score).

EDIT: I want to second Kor. Great find!

[mav1234]

I noticed in Heisenberg's linked artificing guide, he mentions the fact that crafting the lightsabers can proc augment slots. Has anyone see if REing them can proc epic versions? I kinda doubt it since I was reasonably certain that orange gear couldn't RE into anything, but I haven't ever RE'd something with mods already in it before.

[monkeyswinkle]

I took a look at nodes related to gift giving. I think this info is already out there, but here is how it works.

Each gift has a type, Weapon, Military Gear, Courting, Luxury, Technology, Republic Memorabilia, Imperial Memorabilia, Cultural Artifact, Trophy, or Underworld Good. Each gift also has a quality like any other item, Premium (green), Prototype (blue), or Artifact (purple). Each gift also has a rank, from 1-5.

Each companion has specific likes associated with the different gift types, Indifferent, Like, Favorite, and Love, in order from low to high interest. These preferences are located in the chrCompanionInfo_Prototype node, but are also listed on various sites on the internet. I can provide some links if anyone can't find this info. If you start a romance storyline with a companion, this also increases some of her/his interests (e.g. many gain increased interest in courting gifts). The last variable in the mix is current companion affection, and there are 5 "ranks," with thresholds set at -1000 (minimum affection) for rank 1, 2000 for rank 2, 4000 for rank 3, 6000 for rank 4, and 8000 for rank 5. These ranks are found in the node chrCompanionAffectionValueToRankMap.

The node itmGiftMultiplierCategoryInterest has the base values for how much affection your companion will gain, based on the companion's interest in the gift type:

Code:

Interest    Base Value

Indifferent    0
Like           4
Favorite       9
Love          16

This base value is multiplied by a Quality Modifier, found in the node itmGiftMultiplierQuality:

Code:

Quality    Multiplier

Premium       6
Prototype    10
Artifact     24

This is then multiplied by a final modifier that comes from a comparison of your companion's current affection rank and the rank of the gift. There is a node called itmGiftMultiplierDeltaRank with deltas in one column and the respective multiplier. Delta is simply the companion's current affection rank minus the gift rank:

Code:

Delta    Modifier
-5        0
-4        0
-3        0
-2        0.2
-1        0.5
0         1
1         1.1
2         1.3
3         1.5
4         1.5
5         1.5

The resulting number is how much affection your companion will gain from the gift, after rounding. The conclusions are pretty much common sense: give high quality, high rank gifts that your companions like the best. It looks like there is no way to increase your ship droid's affection, as all their interests are Indifferent.

Affection Gain = Interest Base Value * Quality Modifier * (Affection Rank - Gift Rank) Delta Modifier

Edit: I may have forgotten one thing. Each companion has an affection multiplier. That's why when you have the cutscenes in your ship where all your companions gain affection, they gain different amounts. This multiplier might also apply to gifts. I'll have to double-check.

Edit 2: Nevermind about Edit 1. The affection modifier doesn't apply. Thanks, Kor!

[theothersteve7]

Wow, thanks! Okay, so my endgame conclusions based on all that:

Gifts:
Purple gifts are worth about two and a half times as much as the equivalent blue gift.
Gifts that are just shy of favorite are worth a little over half (56%) the value of favorite gift categories.

Crafting Crits:
Grey & Green= 15% base + 5% affection + companion-specific bonuses
Yellow & Orange = 10% + 5% affection + companion-specific bonuses
There are likely some recipes that cannot be crit crafted.

Schematics:
The rarest schematics have at worst a 4% chance to be learned.

[Kaedis]

Quote:Edit: I may have forgotten one thing. Each companion has an affection multiplier. That's why when you have the cutscenes in your ship where all your companions gain affection, they gain different amounts. This multiplier might also apply to gifts. I'll have to double-check.

It doesn't. My Xalek has a multiplier of 6.83. When I got him, I started handing him rank 2 gear that he loved. He gained 106 Affection per gift at first, then 96 per when he passed 2000.

A premium quality rank 2 gift that is loved grants InterestBaseValue[Love] * QualityModifier[Premium] * DeltaModifier[2 (Gift Rank) - 1 (Affection Rank)] = 16 * 6 * 1.1 = 105.6 = 106. When he moved up to Affection rank 2, this became 16 * 6 * 1 = 96.

If his modifier applied, I should have been getting 721 and 656 respectively (which would have been OP as crap). As a further example, if the companion modifier applies, an artifact quality rank 5 gift he loved would give 24 * 16 * 1.5 * 6.83 = 3934 affection, giving him nearly 2 tiers of affection instantaneously.

[monkeyswinkle]

(01-17-2012 03:02 AM)Kor Wrote:  

Quote:Edit: I may have forgotten one thing. Each companion has an affection multiplier. That's why when you have the cutscenes in your ship where all your companions gain affection, they gain different amounts. This multiplier might also apply to gifts. I'll have to double-check.

It doesn't. My Xalek has a multiplier of 6.83. When I got him, I started handing him rank 2 gear that he loved. He gained 106 Affection per gift at first, then 96 per when he passed 2000.

A premium quality rank 2 gift that is loved grants InterestBaseValue[Love] * QualityModifier[Premium] * DeltaModifier[2 (Gift Rank) - 1 (Affection Rank)] = 16 * 6 * 1.1 = 105.6 = 106. When he moved up to Affection rank 2, this became 16 * 6 * 1 = 96.

If his modifier applied, I should have been getting 721 and 656 respectively (which would have been OP as crap). As a further example, if the companion modifier applies, an artifact quality rank 5 gift he loved would give 24 * 16 * 1.5 * 6.83 = 3934 affection, giving him nearly 2 tiers of affection instantaneously.

Ok, cool. I actually forgot to check last night when I played, hehe.