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**Kaedis** · (This post was last modified: 01-08-2012 11:13 AM by Kaedis.)

Yes, but it's classes that compete for gear, not advanced classes. If you have sorcs, 2 assassins, 2 snipers, and 2 operatives, that's worse than having 2 sorcs, 2 snipers, 2 mercs, and 2 maras, as far as gear competition goes. Having a mixed melee/ranged group is not necessarily good for gear competition.

**Style** · 01-09-2012, 01:02 PM

(01-08-2012 01:31 AM)Demongate Wrote: Only reason is because having 10-12 ranged dps fighting for the same gear would be bad.

You don't fight for gear anyway, the boss drops pieces already assigned to players in the raid in addition to everyone getting their commendations.

Tactician · 01-09-2012, 01:13 PM

That's only on normal mode. On Hard and Nightmare modes, loot is dropped normally from the boss and can be rolled on or handed out via Master Looter

**Style** · 01-09-2012, 05:24 PM

(01-09-2012 01:13 PM)Tactician Wrote: That's only on normal mode. On Hard and Nightmare modes, loot is dropped normally from the boss and can be rolled on or handed out via Master Looter

Ah. I had figured that they would have kept the same system. i actually like it better.

Arctus · 01-11-2012, 06:47 PM

Has anyone expierence with 16m hardmode difficulty?

We cleared 8m normal without any problems and will work on soa 8m HM this week.

But yesterday we started raiding as 16m and were quite surprised. The freeloot normal mode was quite difficult. We could clear it and 30% of our raid was underequipt. But the difference between 8m and 16m difficulty was quite huge.

1. Boss: 16m oneshoting in phase 1 with his rocket strike (hit random player with 19k); Maybe we didnt understand the mechanik completly, but in 8m we didnt even notice the damage.
3. Boss: This one is really a freeloot in 8m and we were quite surprised that we need some taktik to kill him n 16m

So has anyone expierence whether 16m HM is also more difficult than 8m HM?

frmorrison · (This post was last modified: 01-12-2012 07:26 AM by frmorrison.)

Various people have said 16 man is overtuned. Patch 1.1 is supposed to adjust the tuning.
Normal mode 16 man is harder than 8 man hard mode/nightmare mode.

Arctus · 01-12-2012, 06:29 PM

But is only the 16m NM overtuned or also the 16m HM?
I dont wanna waste the id Smile

Mysiana · 01-20-2012, 03:21 AM

Has anyone noticed that the lockouts page now just shows Normal, Hard Mode, Nightmare Mode instead of having 3 difficulties for each raid size? Did I miss that they were linking lockouts?

Puli · 01-20-2012, 03:12 PM

(01-20-2012 03:21 AM)Mysiana Wrote: Has anyone noticed that the lockouts page now just shows Normal, Hard Mode, Nightmare Mode instead of having 3 difficulties for each raid size? Did I miss that they were linking lockouts?

Hard and Nightmare have always shared a lockout. Same with 8 man and 16 man.

Mysiana · 01-21-2012, 05:24 AM

(01-20-2012 03:12 PM)Puli Wrote:
(01-20-2012 03:21 AM)Mysiana Wrote: Has anyone noticed that the lockouts page now just shows Normal, Hard Mode, Nightmare Mode instead of having 3 difficulties for each raid size? Did I miss that they were linking lockouts?

Hard and Nightmare have always shared a lockout. Same with 8 man and 16 man.

That's not true... I ran a 16 man normal and an 8 man normal in the same raid lockout period about 2 weeks ago.