Sith Sorcerer PvP Builds

[Greenthy]

(04-14-2012 05:50 AM)Shahryar Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 04:11 AM)shay Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 02:28 AM)Shahryar Wrote:  I'm beginning to think we may have slightly overstated the nerf's effect on pvp. I managed to get a full length Voidstar in before the shutdown today. 600k as 32/7/2, which is in the same region as pre-nerf. Opposition was typical for our server.

It's serious no doubt - but maybe 31 point healing isn't dead - at least against average teams.

the problem is non-31 sorc healers were doing that kind of healing pre 1.2 so being a 31 point healer doing the same kind of healing in 1.2 certainly means something.

Sure, it means something. But if this is indeed typical (more testing needed), then it means that 31 point isn't dead and is in fact reasonable in comparison with other classes.

Unless we can produce considerably better throughput than that as a hybrid, which seems prima facie unlikely to me (though I'd be very interested in being proved wrong), then we're alive and well albeit with certain weaknesses that need to be adjusted for.

The problem with a 31/7/2 build in pvp is not that it can't heal well.
It's that vs decent teams, where u get one/two marauders on you that you will just die over and over again in seconds. Comparing that to 1.1 where u could last just long enough to either get help from teammates, to make urself less interesting or to run away.

[frmorrison]

If your issue is Maras/Sents, then you can try the 29/12 variant. That gives you Overload, so you get a few more seconds of life.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201GhMRrdrdMZfzMM0M.1

[shay]

in case anyone is interested
i believe i have the BiS list for dps pvp

i'm unsure on the 2nd relic but i think the proc internal/elemental damage one is the best with the on power usage

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/bd...73017dd152

[frmorrison]

(04-15-2012 02:02 AM)shay Wrote:  in case anyone is interested
i believe i have the BiS list for dps pvp

i'm unsure on the 2nd relic but i think the proc internal/elemental damage one is the best with the on power usage

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/bd...73017dd152

I agree that list BiS for dps PvP players (for healers, I presume you would use the healing proc relic and perhaps the alacrity relic instead). The Internal damage proc relic is better than the Matrix Cube relic. However, I would disagree on the spec listed there, however I am not sure what is the best for damage.

[Sith_Happens]

(04-14-2012 09:15 AM)frmorrison Wrote:  With the changes to Expertise (increasing damage by more than mitigation/healing),

Actually, PvP damage resistance is now calculated in such a way as to exactly negate the PvP damage bonus for equal expertise ratings. See here.

[frmorrison]

(04-15-2012 07:46 AM)Sith_Happens Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 09:15 AM)frmorrison Wrote:  With the changes to Expertise (increasing damage by more than mitigation/healing),

Actually, PvP damage resistance is now calculated in such a way as to exactly negate the PvP damage bonus for equal expertise ratings. See here.

True, assuming both people had the some number of expertise. However, that isn't the case most of the time. The issue is there are people with full BM (around 1100 expertise) and people with 600-800 (full Recruit with Champion), and the the people with higher expertise have a bigger advantage then they did in 1.1.5. Because you can die so fast with this gear difference, it is better in my experience to have more damage talents than talents that seem useful for PvP (like reduced cooldown on Sprint and increased interrupt duration).

[Malorum]

I'm inclined to agree with this since everything is such a gib fest now the utility makes less much sense now more than ever. Melee burst us down so fast now with the expertise changes that its better to err on the side of killing someone else as fast as you can rather than trying to survive. Combine that with the fact that we have next to no burst dmg now in Hybrid other than Death Field.

[Cempa]

(04-15-2012 02:02 AM)shay Wrote:  in case anyone is interested
i believe i have the BiS list for dps pvp

i'm unsure on the 2nd relic but i think the proc internal/elemental damage one is the best with the on power usage

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/bd...73017dd152

As per the link Expertise wise its %16.75 across all 3 PvP categories yet on live with my 6xx Expertise -full BM with matrix cube- I have much higher than %16.75.

[Allister]

Was looking for a BiS list. Thanks for posting. I like the gear set up but, like others said, dunno if I agree with the spec.

[shay]

(04-16-2012 01:19 AM)Cempa Wrote:  

(04-15-2012 02:02 AM)shay Wrote:  in case anyone is interested
i believe i have the BiS list for dps pvp

i'm unsure on the 2nd relic but i think the proc internal/elemental damage one is the best with the on power usage

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/bd...73017dd152

As per the link Expertise wise its %16.75 across all 3 PvP categories yet on live with my 6xx Expertise -full BM with matrix cube- I have much higher than %16.75.

pretty sure askmrrobot hasn't update their expertise numbers to 1.2 yet

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(04-16-2012 12:56 PM)Allister Wrote:  Was looking for a BiS list. Thanks for posting. I like the gear set up but, like others said, dunno if I agree with the spec.

the spec is just something what i was testing out, it was never meant as the end all be all of sorc pvp dps