Real mob DPS

[lawphill]

Just wondering how much I should expect my actual DPS to differ from training dummy or simulation DPS.

Just finished EC HM last night, parse for Kephess here: http://www.torparse.com/a/386
Running on each attempt about 1200-1300, kill attempt was 1267 although I died with 20% on Kephess at the end there. Just trying to get an idea of how much I can realistically expect to get on a fight like that, obviously there's room for improvement, still not fully min/maxed and they hadn't fixed the unload bug, but just trying to get an idea on it.

[Freehugs]

The Operations Training Dummy accurately reflects the defenses of an Operations boss (now that they fixed it's defense) but poorly represents an actual fight.

Not sure how geared you are but you can certainly do better than 1267 with optimal gear.
On Kephess, aim for at least 80% of your Target Dummy DPS.

[Phaser]

Higher numbers were possible when armor debuffs stacked, but atm 1400 dps is a good number to attain in HM EC...well, unless you have 3 marauders in your group in which case you would be pushing a lot more.

[lawphill]

Thanks for the replies! Still 5 mods away from BiS build, but definitely working on pushing that upper bound!

One other question, If you are pushing 1400 on a fight like Kephess with intense burn phases, does it make sense (like I've been doing) to swap a BiS PvP relic for a Campaign +power relic, or is your DPS at that point high enough it doesn't make a difference?

[Phaser]

(07-13-2012 07:03 AM)lawphill Wrote:  Thanks for the replies! Still 5 mods away from BiS build, but definitely working on pushing that upper bound!

One other question, If you are pushing 1400 on a fight like Kephess with intense burn phases, does it make sense (like I've been doing) to swap a BiS PvP relic for a Campaign +power relic, or is your DPS at that point high enough it doesn't make a difference?

It really depends on how you like to play. Personally, I like the passive 113 power. I still have my Exotech Attack Adrenal if something needs to be burned. In Kephas HM there really isn't more than 5 secs of downtime at any particular time, so I can't imagine clicky power relics being better than War hero. However...if, come NiM EC, we can't kill the Bombadeers in time I may change my mind. For the time wasted worrying about an extra clicky I really can't see that happening though.

[Freehugs]

(07-13-2012 07:03 AM)lawphill Wrote:  One other question, If you are pushing 1400 on a fight like Kephess with intense burn phases, does it make sense (like I've been doing) to swap a BiS PvP relic for a Campaign +power relic, or is your DPS at that point high enough it doesn't make a difference?

I use the Boundless Ages Relic on Kephess because your DPS on some parts is more important than others. i.e. you need to get Bombers/Warstrider/Kephess down fast, but not so much Siege Droids/Trendoshians/Pulsar Droids.
However once you're beating the fight consistently it's kind of moot, so you'll have to make that decision on new fights going forward, not so much for the fights you're doing now.

[Nib]

Use the Counsel boss in EV if you want more accurate DPS.

[thrakkemarn]

I lose 10-20% of my DPS on actual fights vs the training dummy. There's a lot of things that can cause you to lose time-on-target.

[Kaedis]

(07-17-2012 03:10 AM)Nib Wrote:  Use the Counsel boss in EV if you want more accurate DPS.

Even that's questionable, since you're dealing with pushback for casters on that fight (and possibly knockback, if you're doing it on normal mode).

[lawphill]

(07-19-2012 05:22 AM)Kaedis Wrote:  

(07-17-2012 03:10 AM)Nib Wrote:  Use the Counsel boss in EV if you want more accurate DPS.

Even that's questionable, since you're dealing with pushback for casters on that fight (and possibly knockback, if you're doing it on normal mode).

I guess it's not really that interesting to me to find a boss which acts more or less like a testing dummy in order to figure out my DPS. I'm happy with the numbers that SimulationCraft put out to give me a rough estimate of how good my gear is. My original question was more or less what is the upper bound that I can expect to achieve on a realistic boss fight (in this case 8man EC HM Kephess).

Obviously you could set up an incredibly complicated simulator to do this, but really I'm just looking for feedback. Ran EC HM last night and got my numbers up by about 60 DPS so obviously I've got room to improve. And yes, it doesn't really matter since obviously my DPS is good enough to farm EC HM, I just like to have some idea of how much I'm underperforming