1.2 PvP DPS Guide - Focus Guardian - Rage Juggernaut

[Pander Beers]

So my final call on Defiance/Unyielding : not worth the average 40k damage I seem to be losing. Of course that's a very very very rough number, but pull a point out Single Saber Mastery and you'll notice it, too. The times that I get CC'd and generate focus, I feel like I've been generating too much focus that I can't spend, and I end up at the high end of the ideal 2-11 focus/rage pool.

fmorrison, thanks for the input on your testing. However, if the dps is similar, don't you want the added boost to endurance + the secondary stat from your stat cube?

(05-05-2012 05:22 AM)Othium Wrote:  I would suggest saving your CC breaker for when they use debilitate (longer duration single target stun). Often times it benefits an operative more when you use your CC breaker after a jarring strike because it's stun duration is much shorter than debilitate.

Thanks for this advice! Just from my experience, guardians and juggernauts using the focus/rage spec we do in this guide --- are maximum squishy. I think I see where you're coming from, though -- I will try to get some details on the debuffs for the stuns so we know when to use the cc breaker.

Tell me if this is correct (sorry, I only know the scoundrel ability names but check the tooltips). A scoundrel will come out of stealth and use Shoot First

Shoot First
Smuggler (Scoundrel)

Energy: -17
Range: Melee (4m)
Activation time: Instant
Damage Type: Kinetic
Mirror: Hidden Strike

Slips out of stealth to blast the target point-blank with the scattergun, dealing <<>> kinetic damage. Must be in stealth and behind a target to use.

, knocking the target down. By the time they are ready to act again, you can use Dirty Kick

Dirty Kick
Smuggler

Energy: -10
Activation time: Instant
Cooldown: 45 secs
Damage Type: Kinetic
Mirror: Debilitate

Stuns the target for 4 seconds and does [<2>] kinetic damage.

and then that is when we should use the CC breaker.

[frmorrison]

(05-05-2012 02:45 PM)Pander Beers Wrote:  frmorrison, thanks for the input on your testing. However, if the dps is similar, don't you want the added boost to endurance + the secondary stat from your stat cube?

The Proc relic has 84 endurance, while cube has 50, so I would gain 340ish health plus a few more dps over the Cube Relic.

[samboallday11]

Man, i feel the exact same way. Just as you started off the guide, i love my class in every way. And yes, eventually we will be overpowered, and then nerfed again im sure. W/e happens i enjoy playing my class and players like us will be at an advantage to the people who switch classes based off the current patch.

Back to the topic, i didnt realize you could only put mods from other sets of gear in that specific slot it was originally in. Then again i havnt gotten to that point of itemization, so thx for making sense of that. As far as the augment slot, i thought you could get augments on belt and bracers from crafting. At least i thought i saw it on some people. I understand they still wouldnt be better then War hero ones because of the expertise, but just wondering.

About the relic, yea that makes sense. I just wanted your opinion on that. Though i am one who feels that matrix cube has ran its course, now that expertise stacking is better, i would think Two WH relics would be better for the endurance and expertise alone. The addition crit/surge activation wont really make a difference, though an additional CD cant hurt while you are waiting for power/adrenal 3 min cd. Plus, you could use the WH power activation + adrenal on your first rotation with smash, then use the crit/surge + expertise buff for your second rotation.. doesnt sound too bad. Idk, either way i just wanted your judgement on the pve relic. And since its not worth it for pve, wtf do you think i should do with all these daily comms? Other then get some pve gear, do you think theres anything good from those vendors for pvp dps set? Or even for tank pieces for huttball?

[Pander Beers]

(05-05-2012 04:06 PM)frmorrison Wrote:  The Proc relic has 84 endurance, while cube has 50, so I would gain 340ish health plus a few more dps over the Cube Relic.

lol derp you're right about the hp - I don't know what I was thinking

Your case, based on the experience you've had, is strong. To be honest, I'm not against buying a relic and trying it out now.

Actually, I am not sold, on theory, that the proc relic or the matrix cube, are the answer to the test. Samboallday11 has a good point that the extra +57 expertise would be clutch.

I really don't like giving a strong decision at this point, because all of your points are valid. At a later date, when I've finished my War Hero build and have the extra comms for the Campaign Relic and the 2nd WH Relic, I'll do some solid testing and put up some numbers that we can look at.

At this point, if you're comfortable with whatever you're using, then keep at it. If you're new to the scene, I recommend getting your green matrix cube as it is cheaper than the other 2 options, the War Hero Crit/Surge relic and the Campaign proc relic.

Actually, now that I think about it. If we're even considering the Campaign proc relic......... what about the Campaign power relic o.O that wouldn't be on the same cooldown as the WH power relic would it? That would give us two rotations with the +power increase



@samboallday11
You can't get augmented belts or bracers yet, but it's coming soon™. They would need to throw us some PvP armorings that would fit in those slots before I would use them.

[shay]

i'm for one am more inclined to the matrix cube or the pvp surge relic.

as fmorrison said, for sorcs the proc relic is better simply because you have dots rolling on multiple ppl in pvp which makes the uptime fairly high, but as a rage/focus warrior the chances of you having multiple consistent damage going out every 4.5 seconds is highly unlikely, therefore making the proc relic insignificant if you ask me.

in our current rotation the person should be either dead or have you kited in 9 seconds or so which makes me feel like the proc relic is rather useless half the time if not more.

now if the proc damage was higher and the icd of the relic was longer it would be a different story, but currently i just dont see how in pvp that proc damage relic can be of any real use.

[frmorrison]

(05-07-2012 11:28 PM)Pander Beers Wrote:  At this point, if you're comfortable with whatever you're using, then keep at it. If you're new to the scene, I recommend getting your green matrix cube as it is cheaper than the other 2 options, the War Hero Crit/Surge relic and the Campaign proc relic.

Actually, now that I think about it. If we're even considering the Campaign proc relic......... what about the Campaign power relic o.O that wouldn't be on the same cooldown as the WH power relic would it? That would give us two rotations with the +power increase

I agree that someone should use the Matrix Cube + Power relic at first, then later upgrade to another PvP relic or Campaign relic.
It does seem that for Knights/Warriors, the Proc relic in PvP isn't as good as it is for the Sorcerer.
Note I am fairly sure that two Power relics (whether it is from PvP or PvE) will share the same cooldown.

[Skroting]

about the relic discussion... Do you guys believe the BM power use relic is better than the matrix cube? Atm i use two power relics, BM and Champ, since they are not identical they have different lockout periods, which leaves me with 2 on use 350+ power relics.

Not sure if i'd rather get the matrix cube or not, still missing one green shard for it, but for the time being i find the usage of 2x power relics is pretty awesome.

[Othium]

(05-05-2012 02:45 PM)Pander Beers Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 05:22 AM)Othium Wrote:  I would suggest saving your CC breaker for when they use debilitate (longer duration single target stun). Often times it benefits an operative more when you use your CC breaker after a jarring strike because it's stun duration is much shorter than debilitate.

Thanks for this advice! Just from my experience, guardians and juggernauts using the focus/rage spec we do in this guide --- are maximum squishy. I think I see where you're coming from, though -- I will try to get some details on the debuffs for the stuns so we know when to use the cc breaker.

Tell me if this is correct (sorry, I only know the scoundrel ability names but check the tooltips). A scoundrel will come out of stealth and use Shoot First

Shoot First
Smuggler (Scoundrel)

Energy: -17
Range: Melee (4m)
Activation time: Instant
Damage Type: Kinetic
Mirror: Hidden Strike

Slips out of stealth to blast the target point-blank with the scattergun, dealing <<>> kinetic damage. Must be in stealth and behind a target to use.

, knocking the target down. By the time they are ready to act again, you can use Dirty Kick

Dirty Kick
Smuggler

Energy: -10
Activation time: Instant
Cooldown: 45 secs
Damage Type: Kinetic
Mirror: Debilitate

Stuns the target for 4 seconds and does [<2>] kinetic damage.

and then that is when we should use the CC breaker.

Yep, exactly. Shoot First/Hidden Strike is only going to stun you for 1.5 seconds. If you can survive through that and break CC when they use dirty kick/debilitate you will be on much more even ground.

[Pander Beers]

(05-08-2012 09:01 PM)Skroting Wrote:  about the relic discussion... Do you guys believe the BM power use relic is better than the matrix cube? Atm i use two power relics, BM and Champ, since they are not identical they have different lockout periods, which leaves me with 2 on use 350+ power relics.

Not sure if i'd rather get the matrix cube or not, still missing one green shard for it, but for the time being i find the usage of 2x power relics is pretty awesome.

I think Skroting is the winner on this one...

War Hero and Battlemaster Power Relics anyone?

I definitely want to test this when I've got my WH relic, I'll try to pick that up next.

[Othium]

Wow that's an awesome concept. On my op I was annoyed that I couldn't equip two war hero crit/surge relics although I had never thought to test war hero + BM. Thanks for the great idea Skroting.