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RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - Wugan - 05-02-2012 03:45 AM
I'm unable to confirm that the TK double-dip mechanic has been changed. I just went to the test dummy, and on my first 5 procs, I was able to double dip each time. I'm not sure what you mean about "clipping" since I don't think it's even possible to clip a channeled spell by queuing up another cast of the same spell. It appeared to simply give me the same quick cast time on successive casts just like it always has.
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - Bunnyfufu - 05-02-2012 05:00 AM
Check how may ticks of FL were shown. I think the queue system is clipping your FL in order to allow the double proc to occur.
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - Wugan - 05-02-2012 06:08 AM
(05-02-2012 05:00 AM)Bunnyfufu Wrote: Check how may ticks of FL were shown. I think the queue system is clipping your FL in order to allow the double proc to occur.
Looks like that could be correct; I'm not able to see the ticks on the dummy because things are flying by so fast, but using Torparse I'm seeing a loss of ticks.
Doing a test with only Weaken Mind up to get procs, I cast 3 sets of Telekinetic Throw with the Psychic Projection buff for a total of 6 casts. I would expect 24 ticks (6x4), but only saw 18: http://www.torparse.com/a/23391
I then just cast Telekinetic Throw 6 times without the Psychic Projection buff, and got the expected 24 ticks: http://www.torparse.com/a/23392
Would love if someone else can test this. But it seems like we might be only getting 3 ticks per buffed Telekinetic Throw instead of 4.
EDIT: It does seem like this is still a DPS boost however. Since the casts channel twice as fast as an unbuffed Telekinetic Throw, you effectively get 6 ticks instead of 4 over the same time period. If we used to get 8 ticks then this makes the Psychic Projection double cast about half as effective as it was before rather than completely useless, correct?
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - frmorrison - 05-02-2012 11:42 AM
I can confirm that you only get 6 tics on a double dip. http://www.fryingtime.com/?filename=combat_2012-05-01_20_44_09_538574.txt I did 5 hasted (so 5*6 = 30 tics).
Also http://www.torparse.com/a/23681
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - Wolfmith - 05-02-2012 11:57 PM
I have a question, if I use LS near the end of the first proc of Subversion (mana regen increased), the effect will extend itself for 20-30 seconds?
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - Sith_Happens - 05-03-2012 12:34 AM
(05-02-2012 06:08 AM)Wugan Wrote:(05-02-2012 05:00 AM)Bunnyfufu Wrote: Check how may ticks of FL were shown. I think the queue system is clipping your FL in order to allow the double proc to occur.
Looks like that could be correct; I'm not able to see the ticks on the dummy because things are flying by so fast, but using Torparse I'm seeing a loss of ticks.
Doing a test with only Weaken Mind up to get procs, I cast 3 sets of Telekinetic Throw with the Psychic Projection buff for a total of 6 casts. I would expect 24 ticks (6x4), but only saw 18: http://www.torparse.com/a/23391
I then just cast Telekinetic Throw 6 times without the Psychic Projection buff, and got the expected 24 ticks: http://www.torparse.com/a/23392
Would love if someone else can test this. But it seems like we might be only getting 3 ticks per buffed Telekinetic Throw instead of 4.
EDIT: It does seem like this is still a DPS boost however. Since the casts channel twice as fast as an unbuffed Telekinetic Throw, you effectively get 6 ticks instead of 4 over the same time period. If we used to get 8 ticks then this makes the Psychic Projection double cast about half as effective as it was before rather than completely useless, correct?
No, it's not a boost, at least not directly. Consider if Projection was removed correctly after the first TK Throw: Barring any cooldowns finishing or Weaken Mind needing to be refreshed, you would follow the buffed TK Throw with a second, unbuffed TK Throw, which ticks twice during the first 1.5 seconds of its channel. (Buffed TK Throw) + 0.5*(Unbuffed TK Throw) = 4 + 0.5*4 = 6 ticks in three seconds, same as apparently happens now. The only difference is that because of the bug, your un-hasted TK Throws are now beginning and ending 1.5s out of phase with when they would otherwise.
Also, does anyone have any pre-1.2.2 logs they could check to make sure the clipping wasn't happening before?
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - frmorrison - 05-03-2012 09:26 AM
(05-03-2012 12:34 AM)Sith_Happens Wrote: Also, does anyone have any pre-1.2.2 logs they could check to make sure the clipping wasn't happening before?
I have logs from April 20th, it also shows 6x tics during a double dip Barrage. I also missed some of the double dips in that log and got 4x tics during a single dip Barrage.
I think you are right, it seems like there is no point to double dip.
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - Wugan - 05-03-2012 10:02 AM
That's also what I'm seeing in my earlier logs as well. I had always assumed it was giving us 8 ticks, but maybe it never has. I do think I understand what you're saying about it not actually providing a DPS boost. I'll wait for Kaedis to weigh in until I'm sure.
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - Sith_Happens - 05-03-2012 12:19 PM
(05-03-2012 10:02 AM)Wugan Wrote: That's also what I'm seeing in my earlier logs as well. I had always assumed it was giving us 8 ticks, but maybe it never has. I do think I understand what you're saying about it not actually providing a DPS boost. I'll wait for Kaedis to weigh in until I'm sure.
My guess is that it was a 1.2 fix, but of course there aren't any pre-1.2 logs to confirm that and counting ticks from older videos probably wouldn't work due to flytext overlap.
RE: Sorcerer|Sage DPS Compendium - Kyress - 05-03-2012 08:02 PM
Had anyone counted the ticks before 1.2? or had a prove it were 8 ticks in 1.1?
Maybe it was like this all the time just no one noticed it so fare or even though about this possibility?
Would be nice to see if full Madness is ahead now.