Quote:This may (or may not) be a dumb question, but do we know that if the mob is immune to the pull if the threat will not be applied either? Another words do you have to actually "pull" the mob for the threat mechanics to be applied?

Quote:We noticed something last night on Soa that may be pertenent to this conversation. Our main tank was accidentally extricated at the end of the second platform phase for fear of falling/somebody noobed it up. As we were making our descent we tried to figure out who/why/if he was extricated. Just prior to Soa dropping down I requested an extrication for further threat drop. Soa immediately turned and swung at me proving that there is a minimum range on threat drops and making it apparent that during the descent using threat dumps is meaningless. Save them for when bosses are in range!

Quote:Following in your footsteps I went on and tested some of your hypothesis myself. While testing I noticed something that some premises stated here, or at least the way I understood them, were wrong. It has been stated that taunts increase the taunter's threat to 130% of the current threat. That is true for single target taunt, but not true for area of effect taunts.

The tests:
Belsalvis heroic area was the testing area. A gunslinger and a jedi guardian were the testing classes. There was a jedi sage there who didn't participate in the testing itself but was there to heal when the test went badly, which they did.

First test was to confirm the hypothesis that the area of effect taunt puts the taunter on the top of the threat list. The exact amount of aggro wasn't measured. It was preformed so that the gunslinger cast XS Freighter Flyby on a group of 4 or more mobs. After they started running towards the gunslinger's position the jedi guardian cast Challenging Call. The result was that all mobs changed target to the jedi guardian with an observable change of running direction. No other abilities were used. After about 6 seconds (time wasn't precisely measured) all the mobs stopped hitting the jedi guardian and started running towards the gunslinger. At that time the test was terminated and the mobs were killed. The test was repeated three times with the same results (to the chagrin of the jedi sage).

Second test was to confirm the hypothesis that the single target taunt puts the taunter on top of the threat list. The exact amount of aggro wasn't measured. It was preformed so that the gunslinger cast Charged Burst on a single mob. After the mob started running towards the gunslinger the jedi guardian cast Taunt on the mob. The result was that the mob changed target to the jedi guardian with an observable change of running direction. The cooldown of the taunt was endured without casting any other abilities. Then the gunslinger started chain casting Charged Burst until he drew aggro, observed by the mob starting to run towards the gunslinger. Taunt was used again which caused the mob to revert his trajectory and return to the jedi guardian. At that time the test was terminated and the mob was killed. The The test was repeated three times with the same results.

This lead us to the conclusion that the taunts use different mechanics.
- The single target taunt (Jedi Guardian Taunt) puts the taunter on top of the threat list by increasing his/her threat permanently.
- The area of effect taunt (Jedi Guardian Challenging Call) causes the taunter to rise to the top of the threat list for 6 seconds after which mobs continue to act according to the current threat list.

I ask everyone to recheck my results and please post more on this thread.

Quote:Victor (Sorc, -15% healing threat skill) and I (Merc, no threat reduction skills) did some threat tests on healing today.

Test 1:
I pulled a target with a weak attack (~1k damage) putting both myself and Victor into combat. Victor spammed heals on himself but never pull agro.
Conclusion - there is no threat from overhealing, only healing done.

Test 2:
I pulled a target with a weak attack (1143 damage) and Victor shielded me with Static Barrier 3 times absorbing 4377 damage each time. Victor did not pull agro.
Conclusion - Static Barrier generates very low threat, if at all.

Test 3:
Victor pulled a target with Shock (2279 damage) and I healed him slowly at range (needed 2963 threat to pull agro), recording the amounts.
5080 healed - Didn't pull agro
6433 healed - Pulled agro.
Conclusion - We already knew that healing threat is 50% per point, this was just another test in it's favour.

Test 4:
Victor pulled two targets, one with Force Slow (704 damage) and the other with Shock (2037 damage). I healed him slowly at range (requiring 915 and 2648 threat to pull agro) and recorded the amounts.
2687 healed - Didn't pull agro.
3982 healed - Pulled agro on the first target.
10456 healed - Still just have agro from one target.
11774 healed - Pulled agro on the second target.
Conclusion - Healing threat was less than 50% per point, and consistent with 25% per point, suggesting the threat is split between both targets in combat.

(03-29-2012 11:54 PM)Ingolfion Wrote:  First test was to confirm the hypothesis that the area of effect taunt puts the taunter on the top of the threat list. The exact amount of aggro wasn't measured. It was preformed so that the gunslinger cast XS Freighter Flyby on a group of 4 or more mobs. After they started running towards the gunslinger's position the jedi guardian cast Challenging Call. The result was that all mobs changed target to the jedi guardian with an observable change of running direction. No other abilities were used. After about 6 seconds (time wasn't precisely measured) all the mobs stopped hitting the jedi guardian and started running towards the gunslinger. At that time the test was terminated and the mobs were killed. The test was repeated three times with the same results (to the chagrin of the jedi sage).