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RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - Sith_Happens - 03-17-2012 06:23 PM
(03-17-2012 03:40 PM)Spren Wrote: Wrath now affects Lightning Strike and Crushing Darkness only.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - CaseyTheRetard - 03-17-2012 06:34 PM
First look at 1.2 after implementing the Sage|Sorc changes in Simulationcraft (No changes to the DR scaling curves yet, just the class mechanics):
They didn't mention fixing the Lightning Barrage|Psychic Projection double dip exploit, but I haven't heard reports one way or the other from the PTS, so I have both XXX and XXX_no_DD versions of specs that have both LB and Madness.
Interestingly, Hybrid is still the highest DPS on PTS if they haven't corrected the double-dip exploit. If the exploit is gone, Madness/Lightning/Hybrid are within a 1% spread. The "Hybrid_PTS" profiles here are using 1/12/28 with the same priority list as Live minus Chain Lightning.
I didn't bother modeling Suffusion at all, Wrath not affecting CL kills the spec very dead.
Edit: Ok, I did model Suffusion just for laughs. Note that despite having its core mechanic broken, Suffusion is STILL better than Conduction on PTS with double-dip working. Conduction is that bad.
Edit: Add 7.31.3.
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - Wugan - 03-17-2012 06:40 PM
I was on the PTS tonight, and I was repeatedly able to double dip Telekinetic Throw, both on the target dummy and in the new flashpoint.
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - Kaedis - 03-18-2012 12:35 AM
Casey, when you get the chance, can you throw in a 7/31/3 PTS spec to see how it ranks up, since the Madness subspec for Lightning got nerfed a bit?
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - CaseyTheRetard - 03-18-2012 03:38 AM
(03-18-2012 12:35 AM)Kor Wrote: Casey, when you get the chance, can you throw in a 7/31/3 PTS spec to see how it ranks up, since the Madness subspec for Lightning got nerfed a bit?
Done. I was planning to push a release with the PTS stuff once I find out what DR changes this note is talking about:
Quote:These changes are not limited to class abilities and skill trees, but also involve modifications to the underlying combat math (for example diminishing returns, additional augment availability, etc.), which has an impact on combat that is hard to capture in a list of patch notes.but the only thing I've found with NodeViewer looking at modDerivedStatMappingList is an Expertise scaling change from 0.2 cap 0.72 divisior to 0.3 cap 0.8 divisor.
For now, I'll assume there are no other DR changes and just push a release so people don't need me to run 1.2 stuff for them.
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - Sith_Happens - 03-18-2012 04:37 AM
(03-17-2012 06:34 PM)CaseyTheRetard Wrote: The "Hybrid_PTS" profiles here are using 1/12/28 with the same priority list as Live minus Chain Lightning.
Of course, it's possible that the halved Force Lightning bonus from Calcify makes it actually worth it to use Wrath on Lightning Strike. Has anyone run the numbers on that yet?
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - Sanic - 03-18-2012 06:28 AM
(03-18-2012 04:37 AM)Sith_Happens Wrote:(03-17-2012 06:34 PM)CaseyTheRetard Wrote: The "Hybrid_PTS" profiles here are using 1/12/28 with the same priority list as Live minus Chain Lightning.
Of course, it's possible that the halved Force Lightning bonus from Calcify makes it actually worth it to use Wrath on Lightning Strike. Has anyone run the numbers on that yet?
Eh I'd say we will just replace chain lightning with lightning strike on wrath procs with crushing darkness on cooldown. Aside from that it stays more or less the same.
The real loss in damage comes from the loss of chain lightning arcing to other targets. However the over all loss in raid situations is minimal from the wrath change but the calcify and to a lesser extent Disintegration changes are where most of the dps loss is coming from. Though the Disintegration may end up a minimal change depending on the new DR changes.
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - Kaedis - 03-18-2012 10:57 AM
Quote:Eh I'd say we will just replace chain lightning with lightning strike on wrath procs with crushing darkness on cooldown. Aside from that it stays more or less the same.
The real loss in damage comes from the loss of chain lightning arcing to other targets. However the over all loss in raid situations is minimal from the wrath change but the calcify and to a lesser extent Disintegration changes are where most of the dps loss is coming from. Though the Disintegration may end up a minimal change depending on the new DR changes.
Lightning Strike will continue to be a DPS loss to use on Wrath. Even with the reduction to FL damage, Wrath LS is still 12.5% lower DPCT than FL in BIS gear. Even at zero Alacrity, it's still 5.5% behind FL.
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - Sanic - 03-18-2012 11:07 AM
(03-18-2012 10:57 AM)Kor Wrote:Quote:Eh I'd say we will just replace chain lightning with lightning strike on wrath procs with crushing darkness on cooldown. Aside from that it stays more or less the same.
The real loss in damage comes from the loss of chain lightning arcing to other targets. However the over all loss in raid situations is minimal from the wrath change but the calcify and to a lesser extent Disintegration changes are where most of the dps loss is coming from. Though the Disintegration may end up a minimal change depending on the new DR changes.
Lightning Strike will continue to be a DPS loss to use on Wrath. Even with the reduction to FL damage, Wrath LS is still 12.5% lower DPCT than FL in BIS gear. Even at zero Alacrity, it's still 5.5% behind FL.
Hrm, So new cast priority will be Affliction, Death Field, Wrath-Crushing Darkness, FL correct?
RE: Madness/Balance Sorcerer DPS Compendium - frmorrison - 03-18-2012 11:16 AM
Wrath CD is likely second with the 1.2 buff