(01-19-2012 09:35 PM)MorningMusume Wrote:  Where I can find the last version of the spreadsheet? I wanna take a look and compare with mine...

I only found this one: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7xCAgM08eKqMWZhZTljZTMtZmM2Ni00MDMyLTk0NWQtZDEyNmMxYTBiNTAw&hl=en_US

But has stuff like reducing internal damage by armor or giving +30% extra crit to skills that only have +30% extra damage on crits, and so on.

Edit: looking at the revision history seems that is the last one.

I don't know if I'm wrong or what, but I saw in a few minutes this stuff:

-Firebug gives 30% extra critical damage to the skills, not 30% extra crit. Is the tooltip wrong? That change alone increase the damage of those skills by ~10%.
-The internal damage from Retractable Blade is being reduced by armor. This nerfs RB by ~20%.
-Retractable Blade doesn't benefit from Serrated Blades, nerfing it by an additional ~6%.
-Immolate, Flame Burst and Rocket Punch gain 3% extra crit damage instead of 30% from the PWS skill.
-I can't find the Ion Gas Cylinder DOT component anywhere in the table.

(01-19-2012 11:26 PM)Asmiroth Wrote:  

(01-19-2012 09:35 PM)MorningMusume Wrote:  Where I can find the last version of the spreadsheet? I wanna take a look and compare with mine...

I only found this one: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7xCAgM08eKqMWZhZTljZTMtZmM2Ni00MDMyLTk0NWQtZDEyNmMxYTBiNTAw&hl=en_US

But has stuff like reducing internal damage by armor or giving +30% extra crit to skills that only have +30% extra damage on crits, and so on.

Edit: looking at the revision history seems that is the last one.

I don't know if I'm wrong or what, but I saw in a few minutes this stuff:

-Firebug gives 30% extra critical damage to the skills, not 30% extra crit. Is the tooltip wrong? That change alone increase the damage of those skills by ~10%.
-The internal damage from Retractable Blade is being reduced by armor. This nerfs RB by ~20%.
-Retractable Blade doesn't benefit from Serrated Blades, nerfing it by an additional ~6%.
-Immolate, Flame Burst and Rocket Punch gain 3% extra crit damage instead of 30% from the PWS skill.
-I can't find the Ion Gas Cylinder DOT component anywhere in the table.

-armor reduction is already in for the proper attacks.
-Firebug is fixed.
-RB is a frigging PITA to model properly. Who designs a skill with 2 completely different mechanics? Ugh. Anyhow, fixed.
-RB's bleed gets the benefit, I thought that was there, though super convoluted.
-I read this wrong 10 times before I caught it.
-not there since the tanking DPS portion doesn't work. And it's another 2 system attack. I've added it as a test now. It still is not in the log portion.

RB is calculated completely different now. I do it below everything else, in 2 steps, then add them up for the number seen on the Damage Comparison sheet.

With those changes, Rail Shot is no longer worth casting if it isn't a guaranteed crit. Boy does that seem wrong. Both builds are near in DPS though, so maybe that's right? I could use a damage parser!

(01-20-2012 02:30 AM)Jaynen Wrote:  Well if by both builds you mean AP vs Pyro and AP has the more stable heat rotation that is "easier" then it is going to win out I think. Also at least on any interuptable attacks the contribution of the hitman talent is huge on survivability

But! Using the first boss in EV has an example he has 982000 hp on normal mode how much of a DPS increase does Pyrotech see due to burnout on the last 30% of the fight?

In WoW, both warrior execute spam, and warlock drain soul were huge dps increases due to their execute style mechanics

(01-20-2012 05:19 PM)MorningMusume Wrote:  

(01-20-2012 02:30 AM)Jaynen Wrote:  Well if by both builds you mean AP vs Pyro and AP has the more stable heat rotation that is "easier" then it is going to win out I think. Also at least on any interuptable attacks the contribution of the hitman talent is huge on survivability

But! Using the first boss in EV has an example he has 982000 hp on normal mode how much of a DPS increase does Pyrotech see due to burnout on the last 30% of the fight?

In WoW, both warrior execute spam, and warlock drain soul were huge dps increases due to their execute style mechanics

Burnout is hard to quantify exactly, you can do approximations.

Periodic elemental damage are around 20% of the dps, increasing that by 30% you gain 6% extra dmg during the last phase. As it lasts only 30% of the time, is around 2% extra dmg over the total fight.

Also AP has higher mobility, and that's really hard to account for. Getting to the stuff you need to hit 1 or 2 seconds earlier is a big dps increase.

(01-20-2012 07:16 PM)Conditioned Wrote:  First off, thanks for all the work that went into this.

Im a bit confused. What is currently considered the highest dps spec? On the first page the "recommended spec" of this the link says Powertech - 8/31/2 when you click on it you actually get to a Firebug spec. (actually the link seems correct now).

I also see some consideration has gone into heat managemeng of pyro. Obv its limiting sometimes but since you have to move around a lot it´s not nessecarily a huge problem. Take Soa for example imho having huge burst is very helpful there.

(01-21-2012 01:28 AM)Jaynen Wrote:  We tried hardmode EV last night and the droid enraged at 6% hp (about 100k left) I definitely would agree that pyro is more mobile. Incend missile and combust cylinder are only 20% dps? Thought it would be more. I was really appreciating the fact I could drop railshot/thermal detonator/incend missile, and even flame blast from decent range getting under the boss to rocket punch was more of an issue due to his shockwave and cleave

Lacking charge really does suck, 15% runspeed from high energy cylinder would not make that much of a difference, in fact I think that pyro starts "dpsing" sooner after a knockback due to the ranged attacks you can throw as you run in

Also automated defenses was SERIOUSLY awesome because it meant usually by the time the droid fired missile salvos kolto was always up and I could heal myself a bit